Attracting more women to MSFS 2024

You’re cheating us! :stuck_out_tongue:
That’s just a mirror on your wall. I can tell because the SINGLE mug is exactly mirrored to look like two mugs on the desk. Sneaky!

Only kidding! That looks fantastic!! :slight_smile:

It’s a difficult balance between making sure there aren’t overt or covert barriers and box ticking exercises. Men and women do tend to head to various disciplines and it’s a long time argument about whether it is nature or nurture. Probably a bit of both.

The sim community in general is pretty friendly. It skews older than most gaming communities which may be part of it.

I’m drawn to it because I don’t get that toxic ick I get from many other gaming communities.

I don’t know many other women who share my love of vehicles.

Folks focus on how much of a restrictive boys club flying can be. But society is complex. Girls can also coax their peers away from such hobbies. And almost everyone is raised to think cars and planes are boy toys. And dolls for girls.

So, even though it is a boys club in here, it is a good one… usually.

One thing 2024 is doing that seems to work well in other sims is adding avatars.

This is often lost on guys who can see it as dolls and dress up. But it is a way for women to represent themselves in the world, and men can just kinda take it for granted that a guy is gonna be flying the plane.

IME, my girlfriends always want to see my pilot or avatar in any sim, and often we spend time changing their look. Putting themself in the seat is just more important to my female friends when they visit and fly than it is to guys. You hear AvAngel complain every time she can’t put a female pilot in a plane she reviews. I mean it is 2024, and things like that still subtly signal women that flying is for boys. It seems trite. It probably is to most men. But y’all don’t ever just default to bikini clad redhead pilot every time you fly your P-38 with no option to fix the obvious, reality killing issue so it might be a little hard for y’all to understand.

So yeah, as silly as it might sound, avatars are a good start. So is career mode.

(Apparently I can’t downvote myself …)

I think with all that’s going on in terms of equality and wokeness, it’s just a fact that I don’t know many women who are interested the slighest in planes (“my” ratio is around 2:15). Which for sure has nothing to do with developing interest in the matter leading to that very matter being expensive.
Call me a bigot, but I think women’s and men’s brains, emotions and mentalities are actually different (thank god) which in turn leads to different preferences.

Women who are inherently interested in aviation WILL pursue that interest.

I would also like to add that the lack of women is nothing exclusive to aviation or flight simming. In almost all technical and geeky fields the men make up around 95 % of the population.

Men tend to be more prone to spend enormous (maybe too much?) amount of time on obscure hobbies like carpentry, restoring vehicles, golfing, sailing and flight simming. It seems to me that it’s more a nature thing than a culture thing.

I’m still confused to why we NEED more women in flight simming. I can understand from Asobo’s perspective to get more customers and make more money but otherwise I don’t really understand. Let people do what they like without involving social engineering.

Luckily women tend to become real world pilots to a much greater extent than getting involved in flight simming. That’s what matters the most in the end.

My heart pumps purple p— for the tribulations of aviation management. Aviation companies and management caused the global pilot shortage and now they are whining that they can’t get pilots. I remember them cutting pilots left, right and center in the preceding decades. They ejected aviation workers like they were just so much garbage and not human beings. They cut wages, cut training, cut working conditions and made the path to an aviation career so expensive that most people couldn’t afford the cost versus the benefits. Now they are supposedly desperate for workers. :roll_eyes:

Now, they want more women to enter the field? Why? Is it because they think women will work for less, under worse conditions, and won’t complain? OTOH, if a woman has a burning interest in flying and/or simming then she will find a way to do it, just like any guy would. She doesn’t need female-centric “tailored” missions. She just needs the desire to pursue an aviation career and the means to do it. I’m sure any female pilot would like to do the same kind of flying as a guy does, which means any kind of mission that aviation fits into.

i agree flying and flight simming is for evryone, its does not have a gender barrier. its all about interesets. if somebody likes flying they will find their waty over here

They exist.

There are lots of women in aviation and have been since the 1920’s
but most just keep very low key and just get on with the job. I am sure you are all familiar with the Great Female pioneers like Amelia Earhart and Amy Johnson not to mention the wartime activities of the ATA girls and the wasps. Some of these became test pilots after the war, Women have been Airline pilots for decades too and if you look at any Live stream from Manchester and Heathrow you will see numerous women talking in the chat. So it is clear that women are as interested in aviation as men and makes sense they are probably also flying in Flightsim it is just they maybe a lot quieter about it.
While the OP talks of trying to attract women is commendable and welcome it is also possibly a little patronising, you do not need to attract us here, we are here , we are interested but…quieter

bruh i think you miss them XD

almost evry session i had i heard atleast one female pilot.

I’m sorry but I just don’t believe that. I have about 800 hours on VATSIM and I still haven’t heard any woman on frequency.

They exist.

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Thank you for confirming again!
they do i hear them all the time when flying arround portugal, Brasil and in some USA regions

No doubt they exist, it’s just that I never hear them on frequency. I fly mostly in Europe, maybe it’s a man’s world over here. But thanks for the flex.

While there are anatomical differences in the brain, they are rather insignificant compared to the changes our brains go through when growing up. Below my text is a good read about that.

In my previous post, I gave the example of a girl who was given a technical toy or book by her parents. Maybe they even gave it to her specifically with the intention of not pushing her into a gender role. However, all her friends play with other stuff or she has other girl friends in daycare who play with dolls all the time. At home, the parents notice that she’s not interested in the technical toys and they think “Oh okay, we gave her technical toys, but still, she prefers to play with girly stuff, it MUST be a natural preference after all!” But they don’t see the exterior influences that matter a lot. Sometimes, even an unreflected comment by an adult is enough. Grandma sees the toys and says: “Oh, you have a lot of boys stuff here!”. Sometimes, things like these are enough for a child to never touch the toys again. Kids can feel subtle hints by people telling them something is not right with them. Look at kids sections in stores nowadays, it’s all pink and blue. I emphasize these childhood experiences because gender inequality starts with birth and it goes on from there into adulthood. This is what shapes “brains, emotions and mentalities”, not some “natural” difference.

People say “There are no barriers”. Well, legally speaking, yes, maybe not in our part of the world. However, sexism, gender inequality and patriachism are still well alive today.

Reminds me of the Harry Enfield sketch about how women’s brains work differently to men.

A serious suggestion for Asobo…

Please add Unicorns! My granddaughter aged 6 would love that.

Land the plane, feed the Unicorns, then takeoff. Something like that.

I played with girls toys and spent all my childhood in a girls only boarding school. I love doing typical girl activities but it hasn’t changed me into rejecting of typical boy activities. I play MSFS and build things.

I respect your female perspective and I can understand the fear of creepy and sometimes dangerous men. I really do.

However, it doesn’t explain why there are so few women in the flight simming community (which is what we are talking about in the first place). There are actually way more women in real aviation than in flight simming, even though there are these very rare disgusting male instructors once in a while.

I think a walk home from the local bar in the US or Europe is WAY more dangerous than sharing the cockpit with an old CFI who is passionate about aviation and we still see lots of women at the bar.

As I said, I respect your opinion but I still believe the reason for the lack of women in aviation is general interest. I’m not qualified enough to tell if it’s because of nature or culture, though.