Brunner CLS-E NG FORCE FEEDBACK YOKE

This does almost the same by the looks of it, for half the price :wink:

https://amzn.eu/d/bmCiDH7

Price is cheap for sure but I wonder about the quality of the switches (???). I haven’t got it though so maybe they’re okay :slightly_smiling_face:

They are good. Feels solid and nice quality really. The only thing I don’t like so much is the magneto knob (plastic, and doesn’t have a spring back from the “Start” position like on the Alpha yoke). It’s never felt close to breaking yet though!

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Thanks. Yes, that’s the Desktop Pilot switch panel. It’s OK. Modeled after a Cessna, but you can obviously program anything you want to any switch. Since I fly only in VR, I like to map the switches to match the physical location of the buttons for each plane I’m flying.

The Desktop Pilot stuff is super light, so you can mount it under a desk with 3M double-sided tape. The buttons and switches are the lowest possible quality. They do the job, but the feel of them is not the best. The parking brake and fuel cutoff switches have about 1/4" throw. I’m thinking about building my own parking brake using a real Cessna handle.

have their panels too -very low quality acrylic and switches

Thanks for the review.

Looks like I’ll have some thinking and research to do before I fully jump.

Gotta get Christmas done & dusted first. And in the meantime I’m doing just fine with my Alpha.

To bring this back to more directly Brunner related, do you have your setup permanently mounted or do you remove it when not simming?

Currently I have an Alpha, Bravo, Arduino knob panel, X-Touch Mini, Stream Deck, and a USB hub all mounted on a board with handles on the side for moving it around easily. The whole sim business can sit on a shelf out of the way while I’m doing other things.

When it’s time to play with my toy airplanes, I grab the assembly, clamp it to my desk, plug in the USB hub and I’m ready to go.

Obviously the Brunner is larger & heavier, so my system will have to take some reworking - how easily is the Brunner moved around? When the power is off does the yoke freely move or is it locked into place? If locked, can it be locked in any position?

I leave mine permanently mounted. I used to have a system capable of take-down, but no longer - too much wiring! You could mount the Brunner to a board and move it out of the way and clamp the board to your desk when needed. It’s a fantastic yoke, though. Really as much of a game-changer as VR was for me. One annoying thing about it is that it has no power switch, so if you leave it plugged in, you will hear the motor whirring. I have a similar problem with the Varjo headset - if it’s plugged in, it’s on, so I have both plugged into a smart outlet plug that I can power on with my phone when I start the sim.

If it’s completely powered off, the yoke moves freely through the whole range of travel. It will recalibrate and lock in position when powered on. I have mine set to fall with the weight of the elevator and it will gradually come alive with prop wash or airspeed.

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Hello, I hope you are doing well. Does anyone know if the CLS-E NG can be mounted on a sim rig? It looks like the screws are at the far front and far back of the yoke, and where I usually clamp my Honeycomb yoke is shorter. It would be best to have screws in the middle. I just wanted to know if you all mounted it on a desk?

Thanks,
Jivan

Quick question to brunner users.

I currently have a Yoko+, but am really interested in replacing it with the Brunner. A quick question about airline flying:

Unlike GA, airliners (most) are trimmed to release the yoke back to the centre position. In other words, it is a bit like trimming MSFS using a sprung loaded yoke. You keep trimming until you can release the yoke back to centre.

Using the brunner, do any of you fly airliners (like the 737 or Maddog) and have a way of setting trim correctly?

Thanks

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I also fly airliners a lot and I would like to know more info about using this yoke with the 737 or a300. I found this clip on youtube:

Is creating a profile for the 787 as far I understand you can do endless thibgs with the software provided by Brunner.

Do you have any good links or info on how to configure through their software? I’ve been running their rudder pedals for a month now, with zero issues. I just added the CLS-E NG Yoke and it has made my sim useless. The elevator just constantly oscillates +10 / -10, 25 times per second in MSFS 2020, even though the meters in the CLS2Sim UI show it barely moving at all. I’ve turned off all the effects 1:1 and still get the wild behavior, also some jerkiness from the rudder that wasn’t there before.

The only way that I can get it anywhere near usable is to disconnect the ethernet cable between the rudder and the yoke. That somehow seems to disable the Pitch and Roll functions in their UI, but it somehow still responds to MSFS.

Hopefully there is a 4 hour long tutorial out there that shows how to get this thing setup and configured properly in MSFS. If not, I’ll pay somebody to make one. Appreciate any tips or leads!

Did you raise this on the Brunner forums? There is not that much activity in the forum but it’s still good to raise it. I do agree that the configuration tool needs a visual refresh. I’d love better default profiles for common plains (C172) as well.

No documentation that I know of. You can try to see on their website if there is something. But I do not have these issues. My advice : update to the latest firmware available on their website and the latest cls2sim software. Then try to.plug toa different usb port on the computer/yoke.

If nothing works, then open a support ticket to brunner website, they usually respond quickly

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I figured out big mistake. I had gone into MSFS controls and setup the pitch & roll axis for the yoke. That seemed to be the cause of the wild, wild elevator bouncing. Still trying to get everything else dialed in.

Also, you were 100% right about the profiles! The one I was using said it was for a C172, but after looking at it in more detail, it was made for the commercial level yoke. It was also for a much older version of the CLS software. I switched over to a profile someone had made for the Beech G36 on the current version of the software and it made a world of difference, even with all of the effects on. Just have to tune it out a bit now.

One other mistake I had made was on the connections. I had both the yoke and the rudder connected via USB and connected them to each other with Ethernet. After finding a diagram buried deep in the FAQ bowels of the Brunner website, I found a diagram that showed that is wrong. They have you connect only the rudder via USB - not sure why they hell they don’t put those instructions in the user manual they send you with $3K+ worth of equipment! Anyway, that seemed to help smooth things out as well.

Hello, If I understand correctly I must connect only the rudder via USB to the pc and the yoke to the rudder via Ethernet?

At the moment I have each separately connected via USB to an USB hub.

I didn’t have much time to play with the software yet but it seems to detect only one hardware, I can chose to update only the profile for the yoke, not being able to see the rudder. Also the first start up during Hardware detection it showed onIy the Yoke. I can only see the rudder when I go into settings, in the USB drop down tab I can see both yoke and rudder.

Any idea?

Thank you

As far as I understand, only yoke or joystick can work at the same time. Pedals are connected to either one.

According to Brunner, connect one device to the PC via USB and then connect the other device to the first via an Ethernet (i.e., Cat-5/6/7) cable.

However, I have found that it is OK to have both devices connected via USB as long as they are also connected to each other via an Ethernet cable. YMMV.