Catastrophic Skip to Descent

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: Cessna 208b cargo mission (employee mode). From cruise phase, hold button to skip to Descent phase. Aircraft spawns at incorrect altitude, overspeeding, directly over airport, as opposed to top of decent.

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FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

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REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Establish cruise (17k ft, 120kts indicated) during cargo mission
  2. Hold button for “skip to Descent”
  3. Panic and rage quit

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I had 2 occasions:

  • Skip nearly flew me into a mountain.
  • Skip dropped me onto the runway at zero feet at 220 kts…
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Yeah this was happening on mfs 2020 free flights, haven’t done any free flights on mfs 2024 yet as i’m busy playing career mode.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes, especially with the 208B, every time (for 5 hours type missions) I try to “skip to descent” the plane is spawned in deep dive, full speed and then “you have crashed”!

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
When you click on the “Skip to Descent” option using Alt-N during the cruise, it places your plane randomly between the current cruising altitude and somewhere as low as 2000 (it could be lower but the lowest I’ve seen was 2000 feet.) It also reduces your airspeed to way lower than stalling speed. For 737 Max 8, I’ve witnessed airspeed as low as 30 knots, which guarantees a steep drop of many thousands of feet before I could stabilize it and come out of the stall. It also automatically puts your plane in flaps 2 configuration which if you don’t raise them quickly will generate an overspeed with flaps up warning. The distance it places your plane when you come out of skip to descent also seems random. It can be as far away as 500NM (in which case you will still need to cruise quite a bit before ToD) or as close as 30 NM (in which case you do not have enough time to descent safely to approach and landing.)

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes, I have zero addons.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

All the time.

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REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. Launch an Airliner Passenger Transport mission with B737 Max 8
  2. Takeoff, reach cruise altitude
  3. Hit Skip to Descent via Alt-N
  4. Observe the stalling airspeed, and all the things I described above.

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Not relevant.

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No

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4080 but not relevant

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Not relevant

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I did a Skip To Descent in 737, and found myself only 20 ft above destination runway at 120ias.

Its not caped to a 2000 minimum.
I immediately hit the runway and belly slid - only to fail the mission.

most of the time my IAS when skipping is as low as 15IAS up to 150IAS.
this is too low ( on 5 degrees flaps )
We end up falling at -10000fpm while trying to recover and this also ruins our intended TODs.

what we want for the cruise skip is something non-destructive

  • Do NOT change the configuration of our planes

In 737 this mean

  • Don’t change our flap config
  • dont change our Airpseed
  • Don’t change our altitude.

The ideal SKIP for anyone would be

  • Keep our existing altitude and config and speed
  • Provide a skip based on aircraft class or role
  • 737 should be placed 150 miles from dest if cruising above FL300
  • C208 should be 40-50 miles from dest if cruising above FL100, etc
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• Experienced similar things in the 737, half flaps, autopilot changed, etc…

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• In the ES-30 it’s worse, in that plane the electrical system is shut off after skipping, leaving you with a dark plane in the sky or close to the ground. There also you get flaps overspeed in no time, because suddenly they are extended.

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Had the same thing happen to me on sfo to lax. What an unbelievable pile this game is. Also ground speed at 0 when taxiing. Wow.

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Wait until you own this plane and a crash costs 40 million.

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I pressed Skip To Descent and this happened…
paused right after plane bounced off the ground…

Im literally right down on top of destination airport at basically 0 alt.

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Same problem for me. I’m not touching airliner missions anymore because my last two 737 flights would just not complete and the one before ended as mission error after completion.

On top of the the initial OP issue, skipping to descent also screws up frequently the mission steps with a request to climb back up to high altitude (FL23 or above) and return to a prior waypoint while being on descent. Ignoring that idiotic mission step and landing anyway prevented the mission to complete forcing me to abort the mission.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

Just did a charter mission an skipped to descent only to find myself at an altitude of 60000 feet with my C172. Got a mission failure then for deviated too much from my flightpath

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Just once until now

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This has happened 100% of the time when using the 747max in career. When you skip to descent, the plane starts at 20kts which causes a straight nose dive stall. Flaps are up and auto pilot is going crazy.

I have to sim rate to 1/4 and try to recover everything. Absolutely horrible design.

To Asobo developers/designers, just save the current state/configuration before skipping and leave it at that. Is that really that hard?

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same probably EVERY time on multiple missions. Skip to descent and come back with 43% trim set, airspeed is less than 150 and i’m literally falling out of the air. two completely different missions same issue.

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It happens to me every time as well. After skip you always get low airspeed, flaps not always though, but sometimes and inappropriate trim happens as well. This is not only with passenger transport (737) though, I had the same problems with medium cargo, medevac, basically everywhere where you can skip to descent. It rarely puts you into the perfect position, but with smaller aircraft it is easier to recover. Thankfully I didn’t have yet to spawn on the airport level or too low, lowest was I think 3000 ft with 737, it is still very hard to recover. With pc-12 lowest was about 300ft above the airport descending to the runaway with no clearance. I rarely do skip to descent, but when I do, I know its a gamble. Shouldn’t be though. I hope they will fix it.

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Thank you for the bug report.

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Another Skip To Descent for me turned out Catastrophic.

  • At STD - plane immediately flipped over and went full stall.
  • attempts to recover failed , as plane would keep flipping
  • descent rate reached -30000fpm by the time I had fallen to FL100 ( less than 5 seconds to impact )
  • at 9000ft I restarted the mission - which at this point nose was in full down vertical - but unable to de-stall wings.

The stall bad enough that at this alt, AOA reds 21, IS refused to climb, and at -30000FPM, recovery at this point became impossible.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

Skip to descent while flying the PC-12 put me in outer space at 200,000 feet approximately.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Happened once but often issues with skipping putting me in random places.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

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  1. PC-12 Medium Cargo Mission
  2. Took off and got to cruising altitude
  3. Skip to descent

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Logitech Extreme 3D Pro

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?

No
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Dx12
[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
4090

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I too, will add that with 737 you go into a nose dive after skipping cruise. AC flies at 30kts and it goes into a free fall. Need to immediately disengage AP, recover then turn it back on after I lose about 10,000ft in altitude (or 10000ft in Asobo talk).

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