I miss this feature too as it was also a good way to confirm the ILS frequency of the approach and whether the frequency would be automatically input into the nav radio. If the frequency was missing, then I knew I had to input manually into the nav radio as for some reason on a few 3rd party airports the frequency doesn’t show and isn’t automatically input.
Something that users of the old mod may not realize is that the approach angle of the mod was completely wrong, and far too high. It was a limitation of the FM options available at the time, and as such the plane tended to want to force the pilot to execute a very un-bizjet-like flare as if in a 172. The new approach angle, basically flat, is exactly where it is supposed to be.
However, this does mean folks need to unlearn some things. These types of planes in general should not be flared in the traditional sense. Instead, at around 25 feet, slight back pressure should be held, and the pitch angle should only increase about a degree. Power should be smoothly decreased (not chopped) and one should let the plane fly itself to the runway.
Executing the landing in this way will result in far more positive results. Attempting to do a traditional flare will result in ballooning and dropping the plane onto the runway.
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Thanks for the response and explanation. I used to land the old CJ pretty flat as usual in a biz jet. But I’ve been finding that getting the AoA right for landing (using the AoA indicator and gauge) is where it is tricky and easy to overpitch it.
I borked the landing after a most beautiful RNAV 1 approach to KGLU yesterday: Crossed the threshold at 50’ at Vref, smoothly reduced power to idle. Adjusted to get target AoA and found myself climbing out! I guess I needed to be at correct AoA before then!
Rotation requires the gentlest of touches to avoid going past 10°.
This is with a HC Alpha. -65 on the pitch with a reactivity of 50.
But I’m a firm believer in the pilot adapting to the aircraft rather than complaining to the manufacturer. If this is correct behaviour then it is correct behaviour. I’ll get a 100+ landings under my belt before saying anything more!
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Anybody find the CJ4 extremely touchy on the controls after the update? Its almost unflyable for me.
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Is there an updated Operator’s Guide post AAU1?
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Yes they were posted.
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Thanks buddy!
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It’s interesting. A number of people have reported this, along with other issues regarding gear drag and flaps drag/ballooning.
I was throwing around the CJ4 today on purpose to see if it felt that way to me and it didn’t.
I wonder if it’s a case of yoke or flight stick resolution being different amongst us as a cause of the issue being exacerbated for some. I know this is/was the case for the Kodiak.
I’ve got the Boeing TCA yoke, which has a long throw and I didn’t have issues with the Kodiak either.
I didn’t experience the complaints regarding gear or flaps settings either. I saw no ballooning when I selected full flaps.
Anyhow, food for thought.
I love these upgraded biz-jets they are really quite something else now.
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As I’ve said, before, most of us have full-time jobs and would like to go home and relax and fly, which probably only take an hour with ILS setting. We do not feel like spending an hour and a half programming an ils setting. on the big jets. All you have to do is dial in on the localizer! Bring back the old CJ 4 for a casual users, or make it a little easier to dial-in, and I LS approach without going through all those steps, I don’t need to add weight, set waypoint or whatever. I tried going through this, but most of the wording was not on the screen. Needless to say I gave up early. If you could make it so I could just run an ILS approach in one or two steps it would be great think of all the other users that unaware of this forum they’re having problems too.
Sorry, but you are exaggerating a lot. I just did a quick test, setting up a CJ4 for an ILS landing took me 3 (yes, three) minutes. I live between 2 airports so I flew from one to the other, full flight including setting up the ILS took me 18 minutes 32 seconds. I actually am at work now, so within those 18 minutes I replied to some emails, answered a phone call etc.
I basically did it the same way as before the AAU1, I didn’t even load any approach, just put the ILS freq. in the FMS (TUN → NAV1) and added 1 waypoint to guide me to the runway (DEP and ARR were already there as I chose them on the world map). I had to manually select the nav source to LOC1, but this could be because I was too far away from the localizer so the approach mode didn’t catch it… still, after manually selecting LOC1 and arming the approach mode, the plane caught the glide slope and everything went perfectly fine.
Even if you’re not into planes or flying, you can treat it as higher difficulty level in any other game. In basically every game you have to invest some time and learn to level-up and play high difficulty levels, you can think of those more complicated planes in Microsoft Flight SIMULATOR (:P) as high difficulty levels in other games 
I don’t have the time to make videos, but feel free to send me a msg if you need any help with the CJ4. Sometimes I also don’t feel like doing a 30min preparation before flight so I just do the bare minimum, usually when I just want to check something, like in this case.
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Why not just plan it all in the world planner - takes a minute or two and all done?
I will regularly spend 5-10 minutes in the cockpit starting up and route planning, for me its part of the realism, but its very easy in the world planner.
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That is exactly what I am looking for. So your saying there is a radio so you can just dial in the localizer frequency? I tried watching the video but it was too much and what showed up on his screen did not show up on mine, very discouraging, plus it moved too fast for me but was well put together for other people. I don’t mind learning the new jet, just would like a shorter way to just man the localizer and then pinpoint which runway to land on. I can deal with handling the plane but when in nav mode it just starts going in circles when I get within 10 miles of airport. thank you
I do, low/high altitude, ils runway but no route shows up on map and no flight path
And it worked like a charm, but not since the upgrade
This is real weird - i did a flight a couple of days past and it worked ok, very odd.
I’m going to do some step-by-step tutorial videos on the new CJ4 in the near future.
Doesn’t look like it. The w&b screen is now giving 5 pax seats and 2 cargo positions. I also noticed the empty weight is lower than it used to be.
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Screen shot was out of the “new” manual.
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I spent some time doing circuits yesterday. Actually found it very nice to hand fly still. Really stable on the approach. But I did find flaps 35 had a pretty dramatic effect on lift and speed: I could be trimmed for -1200fpm, then if I put in flaps 35 that became 1000fpm climb. I would say that is a significant change. Not saying this is not correct, it’s just something I will factor in. You definitely want to be fully configured before the IMC gate if shooting an IAP!
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