I’ll give you an example of what I tried last night. I would start at GA parking at KGRB (Green Bay) cold and dark. In the past using the FMC, I could set my origin there and arrival for KMKE (Milwaukee), set my SID if offered in the FMS, fill in other data if needed and head out. When getting arrival info from ATC to know which runway I’m landing, I could modify the route with the STAR if needed and execute it. KGRB doesn’t have a departure route that I’m seeing, but would try the ADELE for a mostly straight in arrival into KMKE for ILS 19R. Now when I try, the route tries sending me to a waypoint southwest of KMKE, then back northeast to ADELE, along with showing 2 discrepancies in the legs. If I delete the unwanted waypoints to go direct to ADELE, ATC still tried to route me to that one waypoint still at my cruising altitude of 17,000. Autopilot kept going straight at ADELE instead of following the flight path, which did show correctly in the displays, and it never would capture the glideslope when switching to LOC. I did verify the ILS frequency was correct and the markers active on the display, but activating approach mode did nothing and had to hand fly it in.
I know this may not be a realistic flight with it being so short, but I didn’t have time for a long one. If you want to help walk me through it and what I’m doing wrong, I would love the assistance (and feel free to pm me if it risks derailing the thread).
I’m flying the Cessna Citation CJ4. I’ve installed the latest AAU1 update and removed the Working Title files and a bunch of Lighting mods from my Community Folder.
Some issues:
Having done so, I no longer have access to a bunch of liveries,
The FMS is not working properly. Selecting “IDX/Next” but can’t select “ROUTE” because it’s greyed out and, therefore, can’t import SimBrief Flight Plans into the FMS,
3.Can’t change the BARO from HPA back to IN.
I am assuming that there will not be a Working Tile v0.12.15 issued.
As a consequence, I am re-installing the Working Title v0.12.14 back to my Community Folder so I can resume flying.
Question: There’s nothing being reported on the Internet re similar issues or at least I haven’t been able to find any support. Is anyone else experiencing these problems with AAU1 update.
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For the record, I’m a retired Architect who has had a desire to fly all of my life. I came out of high school wanting to fly jets off the deck of a carrier. This is also the first time that I’ve posted a concern to this website. To be honest, I expected new comments to be posted to the top but was surprised after finding my post, that it was added to the bottom of the list. Since hitting the “REPLY” button and elevating my post to this formum, I have been doing nothing but going through all of the concerns posted about the AAU1 update. GOOGLE certainly didn’t pick up on these concerns, so “Yes” I’m learning.
Yes, you can select a flight plan from the world market map however, it does not load into the cj4 as before. In fms mode, the display will initially flash a “no flight plan”. Just about all buttons are inactive and the legs selection is no longer visible. Could use instructions to get the plane flying a gps course again….
Criticism can be either constructive or destructive. Destructive criticism does nothing but tick everyone off so I chose the former when making my remarks. There is a lot of great information posted above about this update. There’s also a lot of frustration being vented. My first concern about MSFS 2020 was that it came out without a Users Manual. That made things much more difficult for someone like me who had no previous training. Like most things in life, hind site is always 20/20. It probably would have helped if Microsoft had better explained things like SimBrief and Navigraph. It might also have been helpful to the novice Sim Community if Working Title had made mentioned on their website that v0.12.15 would not be forthcoming; that all of their hard work, which by the way hasn’t gone unnoticed, had now been incorportated into the AAU1 update. Since the AAU1 update I have checked with Working Title many times a day to see if they were going to issue a revision. Afterall, up until now everyone flying the CJ4 relied on their updates.
At 78 I’m continuing to learn. Today I found a place on this formum where I can keep a breast of what’s happening. And I now know that I need to read from the top down and not from the bottom up.
Agreed. AAU1 update turned the CJ4 from my favorite plane to one I’m just going to ignore (and just after I paid someone to design me a custom livery!)
Bugs I’ve seen:
No engine performance indication (engines are on and respond to the throttles, but N1 and all parameters are 0 and don’t move)
No green stabilizer trim band
Several buttons are no longer clickable
No moving flight map with PPOS enabled
APPR mode doesn’t work.
TOGA button doesn’t work
Major differences I’ve noticed:
The handling is way too light.
I’m really upset the checklists are gone. I know paper ones are available but I loved the immersion of running them from the aircraft.
Briefings were a fun immersion item.
SimBrief integration was just so smooth. I get why it’s gone (though the A310 has it), but very frustrating.
We did not receive any reports of this during the beta either on the forums or on the Discord. Can you try with an empty Community folder and the default livery?
The green stabilizer trim band should only appear while on the ground. The previous behavior on the mod was in error.
Which buttons that were previously clickable are no longer clickable? I don’t believe there should be any other than the pax briefings.
I’m not sure what this means, exactly, but we haven’t heard any reports of missing maps in PPOS so far during the beta. If this is about terrain, that is not enabled by default in PPOS but can be enabled.
Unfortunately, we’ll need a lot more details regarding the exact circumstances of the flight so we can try and reproduce this or diagnose what went wrong.
The TOGA button on the throttle is listed in the release notes as potentially being un-clickable, but just as in the mod, the pilot side fire button serves as a shortcut.
Good call, it does appear to be linked to the livery. Weird. I’ll check with the designer.
OK, good to know. Appears to be working as intended, then.
I don’t know if they actually DID anything before, the FADEC RESET and some of the pressurization buttons were clickable, and are no longer (I know about Briefings and Checklists).
Yeah, the Map was totally missing until I cycled through the ENGINES menu to make it smaller.
Specifically, it was the ILS27 at LCY. Was at the correct altitude to intercept, correct frequency, I had HDG mode active and hit APPR. It armed LOC1 but never actually intercepted, though it shows glidepath indication on the display.
I have a keybind set on my throttles for it and tried the fire button: neither worked (at least now how they used to, with showing my the purple AOA target line about 10 degrees nose-up).
I’m not sure about this but just an idea… did you preselect the approach (and maybe arrival too) from DEP/ARR and then flew it as you told? In these cases, for example in Helsinki with Open STARs and HDG mode at one point mandatory by default it switched CDI source from FMS to LOC automatically.
Or did you just after some random waypoint switch to HDG, tuned frequency for ILS manually and pressed APPR (so APPR LOC1 as white), localizer indicator maybe appeared eventually to ND but it just didn’t capture and follow it? If this option… I have needed to change CDI source manually on these cases when localizer comes alive to actually capture it too.
Having alot of issues with the CJ4 Longtitude… Engine 2 does not stay on in flight. Reverse thrust wont kick in fuel wont load through other engines… Ai not working to spec. Unstable update. No mods.
Well I found that I set my GPS routes in pre-flight and once I’m in the cockpit and go through the pre-flight checks and get airborne I still didn’t see the GPS flight route line and NAV mode wouldn’t activate…, I noticed my display still said ‘No flight plan’. After reading here, I checked the computer and it has my GPS routes in there. I hit the Flight Plan button and then Execute button on the computer and THEN I saw the GPS Route line in the VFR Map and was able to activate NAV mode… Now, instead of the aircraft swooping over to join the line and follow, it sets the intersect point right at your next waypoint.
I found I have to execute the next leg (waypoint) on the flight computer as well. It’ll will change course to your next waypoint being in NAV mode for your.
While most of the issues you have reported have been answered in one way or another by the dev, the key problem is with the way the aircraft handles after AAU1 (which you also reported).
Several people inlcuding myself in this very thread have reported unrealistic handling at slow speeds, unrealistic thrust settings, unrealistic flap induced drag - and there are pilot reports and videos on the net supporting our views.
Sadly there have been no answers for that. In my view, the Avionics part of the update was phenomenal, but the Aircraft part brought issues.
The flight model was tuned in close conjunction with a number of real-life CJ4 pilots who report a very close to reality experience with the current flight model. Nonetheless, as with any flight model in any simulator, behaviors are always a number of compromises to get to the best possible place for the highest number of normal operating maneuvers.
We are always taking note of community feedback and evaluating those compromises as time goes on, and will continue to iterate into the future as we always have.
Thanks for your response. I would never doubt a lot of effort has been put into bringing this to life; however the community is here to discuss and highlight potential areas for improvment. Those areas can be relooked at, and if evidence suggests we’re wrong, then we’re wrong.
