I’m lost as to what this problem is. I really hope someone can assist me (I’m at my wits end)!
It started after the last Sim Update (9). Was totally fine before. I’ve tried so much stuff to pin down the cause and getting nowhere, so in desparation posting this!
Check this video.
4 laps of the Mach Loop. Every single time, the freezes happen in EXACTLY the same places and in the same way. 1 smaller one going over the brow, 3 big ones heading down the long straight then 1 smaller one doing that final big left turn. Every lap, exact repeat. THIS IS THE STRANGE THING - I think it’s not general CPU Main Thread Limited behaviour, it’s so consistent that there is something actually in the world causing it to happen the same every time??
This is just a good example. A lot of the UK is bad like this for me now. Other countries are often much better or totally fine but UK is pretty unflyable for me since SU9. Doesn’t seem to be tied to density of geometry (Switzerland mountains are OK, more empty and flat areas are totally smooth, so I’m not sure).
I do have a LOT of add-ons around UK, but even with everything there disabled, and global addons like powerlines, solar farms, replacement windmills, ships etc off it’s still exactly the same. I had the Orbx GB North and Central. Deleted those and it’s the same so it’s not anything with addons it seems.
Used Addons-Linker to load NO mods, and when I tried to start a flight, got CTD! Deleted Contents.xml, rebooted and same again. Event Viewer Error: 0xc0000005… ■■■. Re-enabled my main Addons Linker profile and it loads again. Bizzare! How can going back to NO MODS suddenly crash the game?!
I tried:
Both LoDs at 10!
All LOW defaut settings (usually I run High with some tweaks to push GPU more)
Off-Screen Terrain Caching low / high / ultra
Different aircraft
Clear Skies setting
Multiplayer / online functionality off
Photogrammetry off
AI traffic / live traffic off
Flying 1,000 or 2,000ft higher, it still freezes at the EXACT same places. IN GENERAL FLIGHT IT’S JUST DOING IT ALL THE TIME IN UK. UNFLYABLE NOW!
Some facts:
Not getting CTD’s in flight, just some smaller stutters (but it is keeping 30fps apart from that) and these huge (sometimes multiple in quick succession) 1, 2 or 3 second freezes as example, but flying other places it happens too. Not quite as bad as the video but often 3 in a row.
Latest Nvidia drivers (512.95) on RTX2070.
Maybe not connected but I noticed that after SU9, sometimes when I load to the airport I get the spinning white wheel for 4 or 5 minutes before it goes away. UK is very bad. Not all countries have it - weird. I can’t fly until it’s gone as it’s really stuttery (not freezing, just choppy). But sometimes (not often) I don’t get that wheel - at the same exact setup / airport. Thought it had fixed itself earlier but it’s back again now. After it goes away it’s smooth 30fps lock again.
Anyone have ANY ideas what I can try? It’s driving me nuts!!
Thanks for reading
I rarely fly where you’re flying, but just by looking at the forums, you are by no means the only person having this issue, particularly in England. There’s either a network congestion issue going on or it’s something on your end from a network standpoint, but my gut says it’s not you.
I had that feeling too but even with all Data stuff turned off, no other planes be it real players or AI. No PG or texture streaming (it looks like cr*p) it still does the freezes in exactly the same quantity, duration and coordinates. Surely if it was network or data related, using those settings would at least REDUCE the freezes a bit or change the pattern, but it was EXACTLY the same regardless of settings.
You didn’t mention if scenery cache is enabled and if so then have you tried deleting it? Also, with no addons installed, with the newly generated content.xml have you also tried deleting all of the scenery index files found here? :Microsoft.FlightSimulator_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalCache\SceneryIndexes
It would be nice to see the entire error in Windows Event Viewer, I.E., the event ID along with all the information provided for this event in the general tab. All I can tell is that this appears to be a form of memory error and it may very well be an issue with your ram, (overclocking)? Or, it also could indicate an issue with your pagefile. Perhaps delete your pagefile and reboot your PC, then make sure you set a new pagefile no smaller than 10 Gigabytes in size.
I did not know about the SceneryIndexes. Steam version here so I found them here. Will try deleting that lot and your other tips asap, thanks very much for your time!
I’ve seen similar on xbox outside of the UK. The most obvious for me is YPBO which is in the Australian outback and so nowhere near any PG or anything at all other than a few hills.
It must be something in the scenery but it’s odd that it can be so repeatable.
Tried that. And deleted the pagefile, rebooted, created a new bigger pagefile, rebooted again.
Still the exact same freezes over UK.
First time I tried to load a flight (same profile I was testing yesterday) it crashed when blue bar got to about 80%. Rebooted again and removed a few more mods just for the heck of it and it loaded OK this time.
I think it has something to do with scenery loading in. I also get weird 2-3 second big freezes. Except for me it happens one time, and that’s during descent. However, ive noticed that it happens again during descent and approach if I have a 3rd party airport installed. I think it’s the sim trying to load the airport in. I get a 1 second freeze though. Other than that 99% of a flight, I have no issues.
might not be of interest but there’s an area for me just SE of the big ferris wheel in greater London that has a heck of a time loading, constantly looks like post nuclear blast, I can circle it, pre load it, reload it but it always is shiet and hurts performance.
You’ll want to do all your testing with a clean community folder, newly generated content.xml and newly generated scenery index files.
I would seriously stop adding and removing addons right now until you can make sure the base foundation is stable, we’ve gone from freezing in the exact same places over the UK to not even being able to load into a flight now, getting error at 80% blue bar like you wrote.
Access violations can come in different ways for different reasons. It is generally indicative of a physical memory issue, a virtual memory issue or bad blocks on your HDD or even bad sectors on an SSD/NVMe. So, it’s important to rules these out.These are the means your PC may access data, however there are also software components that as well may play a role in access violations. For instance, AV software and even software components like .Net and Visual Studio C++ are known to return access violations during debugging. Speaking of debugging or advanced error tracing, you could try using ProcDump with, procdump -ma -e FlightSimulator.exe. It will generate a dump file with more detailed info on any unhandled exceptions or access violations.
If you’re using an SSD type of storage device, do you routinely perform trim commands on the device through Windows Defragment and Optimize Drives utility?
Can you or have you scanned your drives to check for bad sectors or blocks using chkdsk? Can you scan the file system using the System File Checker tool?
To rule out any issues with .Net and Visual Studio make sure you have installed all of the following versions of it.
Make sure you also have both x86 and x64 versions installed!!! You can download them here. Even if you have some of them already installed it’s good to do a repair install on them then when done installing all of them reboot your PC and run windows update then.
Thank you kindly for the further reply. It’s been a few years since I used Windows (Windows 7) so I’m not as sure about these things any more but I appreciate your suggestions here and will do those in a bit. I did do the NET repairs a while back but will try again.
I only bought this device to play MSFS and it’s been great up until the last Sim Update.
It’s a handheld OneXPlayer with 1tb built in NVME SSD and I put a 1tb SDXC in for many smaller or less important files - and those that load only once into ram at the start like aircraft mods and liveries.
It’s got 16gb ram and I now use an RTX2070 in an eGPU enclosure over Thunderbolt 4 which really transformed the game. So yes, an unusual setup but before you say that’s to blame, right now I’m flying over Sicily in my MilViz Porter, got 771 mods enabled (342gb) with a rock solid 30fps (locked vsync) and TLOD 50 / OLOD 70. This is enough for me on my 8.4” screen lol
Task manager says only 8gb of my ram is used (51% now) and CPU usage 33% (4.3GHz… I know that’s not totally accurate as it’s average of all 4 cores).
As it’s only this big of a problem in the UK I find it hard to believe something on the machine is causing it. But I will definitely run those checks after I land and report back! Thanks again mate.
Optimised (trim needed doing on C, other disks and partitions were OK)
Chkdsk = no problems.
SFC scan now = Windows Resource Protection did not find any integrity violations. (note that I have had to use this tool in the recent past when the Batch file that swaps the on-screen keyboard to the newer style on this device, somehow started causing problems - after 8 months of being totally fine - with MSFS (not loading, crashing on splash screen) and the SFC scan fixed violations. I have now left it with the default KB and not had that problem again, and running the tool now has no faults)
Runtimes. I had less than you = I have run that batch tool now but still 1 missing = C++ 2008 x64 9.0.30729.17
Windows update after reboot had this = 2022-05 Cumulative Update Preview for .NET Framework 3.5 and 4.8 for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64 (KB5013887)
5b. I also installed the “Optional quality update”: 2022-05 Cumulative Update Preview for Windows 10 Version 21H2 for x64-based Systems (KB5014023)
Did memory scan using Windows Memory Diagnostics. No problems detected.
Not sure how to use that ProcDump. I need to download the EXE from Git? When I double click the file inside (e.g. procdump64) and run it, it just does something quick in a popup and I can’t type in a command anywhere.
Malware may be another possibility. Or corrupt regisrtry. Not sure what are the best tools to use for that these days?
Having a BBQ now so will try and do a test flight with empty community (except the stuff that JustFlight install directly - that’s hard to remove temporarily) later tonight! Thanks again
EDIT: Figured out what I need to do for ProcDump (put on C drive, go there with cmd cd prompt and then use your code, but I get this:
C:\ProcDump>procdump -ma -e FlightSimulator.exe
ProcDump v10.11 - Sysinternals process dump utility
Copyright (C) 2009-2021 Mark Russinovich and Andrew Richards
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
No process matching the specified name can be found.
Try elevating the command prompt or using PsExec to make one as SYSTEM.
psexec.exe -s -d -i cmd.exe
procdump.exe -accepteula …
ProcDump v10.11 - Sysinternals process dump utility
Copyright (C) 2009-2021 Mark Russinovich and Andrew Richards
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
No process matching the specified name can be found.
Try elevating the command prompt or using PsExec to make one as SYSTEM.
psexec.exe -s -d -i cmd.exe
procdump.exe -accepteula …
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Did clean community folder test (and deleted Content.xml) after all those checks and still the same. RAM usage never gets near the 16gb internal (flat at about 10gb). Played with Resource Monitor open and nothing is spiking in harmony with the freezes.
Still got spinning White graphic for ages (6+ minutes) before I can set off. FPS is 21-27 fluctuating until the wheel goes away, then I get my 30fps back.
One thing I noticed, flying the F-16, each time after a freeze, the HUD in the aircraft flashes a brighter green for a moment. Not sure if that’s a clue or a “Green Herring”
oddly enough… I also got tons of spinning white circle issues… but not in dev mode, when the flights are not logged. And it appears to be related to passing certain altitudes and “events” such as wheels on or off ground, thats why I think it is some X-box live data loggint issue…
It also appear bugged like on the low-level flight top gun challenges… if I refly the same exact challenge, it gets constant circling and low frames… if I load and fly another and then go back to the same, its gone.
spinning white circle is msfs writing to the logbook like crazy and causing stutters. just turning the devmode on and off again will stop it for that flight.
If you have OneDrive, make sure you pause it before you start otherwise the logbook and other writes seem to wait for tye updates to be committed to the cloud. When its paused all the writes are local only.
The issue with the logbook and stuttering still happens, OneDrive or not. So try enable and disable devmode before a flight and see if it helps with the white circle stutter issue.
