Assuming people responsible for trees and vegetation would be suited to developing ATC is questionable. IIRC WorkingTitle was once mentioned on the topic of improving ATC. I have never heard any timeframe though.
i think you may be missing the point
the trees and vegetation guy is there, sitting on the chair where they should’ve hired an atc and ifr flight guy
2 Likes
Trees and ATC can go hand in hand, though. ATC will blindly put you through trees (or buildings) that are not supposed to be there. Or they are supposed to be there, but they’re the wrong size/type for that area so they protrude into the approach plane. Or you avoid errant placed trees/objects on taxiways/runways/ramps and now the ATC pathing and sequencing is messed up.
Not saying this combination is necessarily the widespread crux of the issue (I know there are much bigger ATC problems), but trying to illustrate that the concepts are not mutually exclusive. There’s a lot of interconnectivity and complexity involved in the landscape, the airport environment, and ATC/AI pathing.
In all honesty MS/Asobo should be able to do both. so no “vegetation person” would have to be replaced by an “ATC person”. I guess what you are trying to say is that they should have focused on improving ATC over pretty vegetation?
I haven’t used default ATC in a long time and I didn’t think 2024 would improve upon it, but I see no reason why they shouldn’t make it at least functional. It will be interesting to see what they have planned down the line.
1 Like
oh yes absolutely
they should have focused on the flying aspects of the thing
2 Likes
Best bit of mapping I ever did was to pop ‘Active Pause’ onto my HOTAS (B5).
It’s not immersive, but boy is it handy…
2 Likes
I would like to add, FS2020 is missing some things we enjoyed from FSX too. Like saving a flight with flight plan, tower views, easy to use replay, better ATC etc.
Just pointing this out in case I’m playing FS2020 for another year and Jorge is actually reading this. We been voting and asking for such things for over 4 years. Please show 2020 more love while you fix 2024. Or get these things working in 2024 so I can buy it.
2 Likes
Well at least the replay is supposed to be fixed with the inclusion of FCR embedded. I have the full payware version of this program for 2020 and there it works great, so in theory all should be good.
However I’ve been unable to get the embedded version of FCR to do anything useful, certainly not to replay my flight, so I assume that is bugged as well. I’m sure I heard they were still integrating this just a couple of weeks before launch so this was something else that was rushed and not ready. This kind of thing should have been in place 4 to 6 months ago to give time for testing and working through the issues.
Anyway for me it turns out that the payware 2020 FCR works just fine with 2024 so for now I’ll continue to use that.
I got CTD when trying to use the replay function on XSX.
I thought id have a try of the replay function as its something ive been begging for for 4 years and yep just like MSFS2020. I began recording from my approach and perfect night landing at Tenerife in the A320 but the landing gear didn’t come down, the landing lights didn’t come on and the livery was removed. As there was no landing gear, it counted the landing as a crash. lol
I understand the complexities of doing replays on sims like this but ■■■■, it seems were all doomed never to have a proper working and easy to use replay function and that’s depresses the hell out of me.
2 Likes
The FCR product it is built on works well in FS20 so I’m sure that these are teething troubles and will get worked out with time. 
1 Like
Applying ATC to Airfields is so easy, I can do it.
Expanding the list of options and responses. Shown the software, I reckon I could do it.
If the software people want to earn some money, they will do it.
My opinion is ,
The people who have contributed to this must have quals in the programming language used.
ATC or trees, its writing code.
You can code all day long but if you don’t know what goes into it - how the thing actually works and how it is connected to other things, then you’re coding siloed nonsense. Stuff made for the purpose of stuff, rather than fitting into an intricate system.
Personal Comments and Observations
I’ve been with the community since August 2020 launch and joined volunteer staff the year after.
Those who know my soapbox topics 
will find this familiar. Sorry friends, you can skip this because you’ve heard it, but for the rest of the community, it’s probably helpful to have historical context.
With regard to launch - well, FS2020 was immediately followed by one of the most crunch intensive Agile Sprints for about six months to patch functionality and game breaking defects. MS and Asobo worked up until about two weeks before Christmas, pushing a Sim Update equivalent at least once, if not twice a week during that time.
ATC, IFR, AI Traffic, Weather - are all interconnected - through the Flight Plan. One of the pillars that needed to be recast is Flight Planning. Everyone knows the gaps in 2020’s World Map - which explains in no small part why Working Title got the nod to create the EFB and re-boot Flight Planning.
That’s Step 1 in a long road to recasting the other aforementioned items - none of it could be started in FS2020 because it was too deeply embedded in the core sim.
Fix Flight Planning, make it AIRAC compliant, and ATC, proper IFR and even cueing AI Traffic off the player’s plan is facilitated better in FS2024. Maybe even open the door to things like ATC interactive Weather Deviation. But it needs time to bake - argueably years. You can decide for yourself if that was worth holding up the rest of the sim.
You can see Agile at work here - lots of things are arguably Minimum Viable Product. Others are pure defects - needs time and space to work off the Backlog.
This isn’t an attempt to placate or dissuade. Folks are going to feel what they’re going to feel, and no amount of conversation will likely blunt that. But as someone who was a long time end-user (I was a PSion FS’er on a Sinclair ZX), and more recently joined the Developer side as QA Staff for one of the contractors, I have the benefit (and yes, the cringe) of seeing how the sausage is made and consumed.
Nothing is easy in a project this big. Time and Effort are but two of many factors that weigh into a release. There are so many moving parts, it would boggle the average end-user.
The only counsel I can give is the same one I learned in August '20. Give it time. Things will get better, and arguably for all its warts, FS2020 four years and four months from launch is by far a much improved product, and so will FS2024. 
3 Likes
I will agree things will get better. I guess the question for me is should they have scaled back a few things that could have launched at a later date if it was not ready yet. Balloons comes to mind as playing around with the stock balloon is far from ready for use.
Also not having the ability to disable 2020 dlc was a big miss. Probably caused more issues than good.
I agree again that things will get better. But they probably should have released it later or released it with a smaller at launch feature set and save trying to promise too much when it’s obviously not ready.
This is reading between the lines, but plenty of evidence at hand:
A lot of things happening right now are tied to the Marketplace not being activated - including the ability to enable/disable MP products one is authorized and provisioned for, as well as the Downloading in-lieu of Streaming for core sim products.
Once MP is back online, then these gaps will get addressed. From a purely Monday Night QB view, it was a tough choice - deny users their content which they rightfully own and were promised to migrate (hence the notice each time you launch the sim that your 2020 content was successfully moved), or disable it for everyone.
1 Like
History should be a good teacher .
Don’t waste so much energy, right now they are in monopoly hence their attitude is like this .
Kindly apply for refund .
5 Likes
Bruhahahahahahahahaha!!!
1 Like