I appreciated the tone, humility and honesty of the response today. Unusual for leaders to admit to ‘awful’ experiences without some considered PR spin bolted on, which this had none. Admit the problems, own the difficulties, and take charge of moving it forward. What else can you do? This, for me, was good leadership in action even if it frustrates people because it is not the package we were expecting, want or demand. Own it, work it, move on. Good job done.
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Largely I don’t think the developers are disconnected. I think they have no voice in what the simmer wants. If you have to the develop what the ‘gamer’ wants do you quit your job or just do as you’ve been asked? As I see it, FS2024 is for the most part a game update. What the simmer wants is developed by 3rd parties and the community.
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There is what corporate America wants, they call the shots. There is what European partners can deliver, they are on that hook. There is what end users need and want, that is the multitude of us. There are all these platforms to serve, yikes! And there are the developers catering to our whims to get to our wallets. There are so many stakeholders in this game it is amazing.
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Wait so i can screenshot my library and gamer tag and they’ll accept that to transfer it over??? Omg i thought i was screw i didnt think they’d do that. Thanks for this info dude!!
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For me, one of the most disappointing factors is that the AI traffic is still the worst of any simulator,especially GA traffic which is non-existent. Guess it’s just not profitable enough to develop.
I kind of regret buying 2024 now, especially knowing that whilst they will improve the scenery and cosmetics, they will always place the flight simulation second. It’s why it is an XBox game and not a real flight simulator; games make money while hard-core sims do not.
I would go back to X-plane but quite honestly, that is full of bugs as well and looks like it belongs in the 1990s. So be it.
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I finished the full stream, my conclusion is that a LOT of people in this thread did not or skipped through it and came up with their own concepts on what is happening or too angry to understand any of it. Great stream and insight to the issues and I don’t think they dodged any questions at all. I didn’t agree with 100% of the topics at hand but I do understand why the cloud is doing what it is doing now. I have upped my cache to 100gb and reinstalled the sim even though I haven’t had any major problems with the sim. So far it’s been a better experience than 2020 hands down.
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Says the YouTuber who makes a living playing FS24.
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Well, I don’t make my living playing FS24, but I agree with JF. Many folks don’t seem to listen to what is being said, then draw some conclusion of their own that misrepresents the actual commentary.
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The issue was at the CDN. If you downloaded the whole sim, where do you think that comes from? The CDN of course. We would have had days of people trying to download, no one getting in, and probably those who DID manage to download the sim in those few days, it wouldn’t have worked because there would have been packages which didn’t complete or got corrupted.
So the whole “Itf they have let us download the whole sim, we wouldn’t have had these issues” is wrong. It would have been much much much much worse.
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While i agree with you. I can understand so many people’s anger or frustration. The release was horrid. Then on that same timeframe they went on to say “it was a great release” And only now are things really being explained and theyre actually i guess ypu could say, apologizing. Id say msfs 2024 is definitely a step in the right direction. However, I personally think it should’ve been pushed into 2025.
Another thing i think a lot of people dont like, and rightfully so, some of the partners that they’ve chosen. Well, they’re, how do I put put this nicely, subpar at best? I won’t give specific devs but we all know who they are. A lot of the community has made it perfect clear over the past few years that these specific devs time and time again have failed to deliver on decent quality aircraft and its been made very well clear that we had enough of them… yet here they are again present in fs2024 as partners. Not really confidence inspiring unless they somehow pull off some crazy thing and start making stellar aircraft. Which thus far, has not been the case.
Sorry for the tangent but i say all that to say i believe in many people in the community this launch, after going off all the things Asobo promised and then what we go for that first say week and a half, killed some of the trust folks had. So many may be in a state of “I’ll believe it when I actually see it”
But again I do agree with you for the most part.
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I think I would phrase it slightly differently:
“One” critical issue was at the CDN.
I personally agree with Asobo that streaming (which naturally must include sophisticated local caching) is the better concept then full downloads. It is the only way into the future. And I agree with you @tgbushman that a “allow us to pre-download” approach would most like just have moved the day of the frustration … but not solved the actual technical problems.
I understand why during the dev stream they tried to “blame” the CDN. I think the “full story” is way too complicated and way too technical. Just showing the HTTP status codes is also just a “partial” (even somewhat misleading) story, even when obviously true. Clearly high latency, timeouts, request amplification, etc. did play a major role.
The dev stream was a “community” event … and not a geek presentation for a conference like “P99 CONF”.
I think they wanted to close that “unfavourable episode” and, given the “interesting” legal system of the US, they perhaps did not want to give too much substance to trigger more “complications”.
They closed the case. And for me personally, as a goose, that is OK. I love the trees, the grass, the beaches of FS2024.
But I do hope that internally they will do a very self-critical analysis of what happened and which part of the sim and server code was responsible e.g. for overloading the CDN with too many requests. The CDN did/does protect itself and most likely there is a SLA about the maximum connects and max throughput for the FS2024 data. Obviously the sim and server code is still not as robust as it must be at this scale.
When I tried to understand the “time (zone) sync” problem …
… I think I could see that Azure server 20.42.182.108 was causing most of the problems (timeouts, reconnects, retransmissions) … and that is an Azure server and not … static.akamaitechnologies … CDN. With this I am not saying that CDN connects did not fail.
Getting this streaming stuff really “robust during failure” is hard. Obviously they are not there yet. And IMHO “download it all” (which is just a different form of “streaming”) is not the solution. So here I fully agree with what Sebastian tried to explain during the dev stream.
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While upping the cache has benefits if you fly around the same areas a lot, it doesn’t fix the issue of textures not loading in properly in high res when you are exploring a new area.
And even when flying in the same areas I and many others saw the same textures being loaded again even though the cache definitely wasn’t full.
Streaming is fine when it works well imo, sadly it doesn’t currently.
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I did some “event tracing” to understand what might be going on in such cases. You can find my attempt to interpret the results here:
I cannot say (and do not think) that textures are loaded multiple time … but I would agree that especially at low altitude not all necessary ground details can be loaded fast enough … and so I needed multiple flights in the same region to really download all landscape data.
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Career Mode is huge. The rest is under the hood.
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Not necessarily multiple times, but doesn’t your test show that new data is still downloaded after multiple passes? Doesn’t that support the notion that often not enough of the data (to provide high quality textures) is streamed on the first attempt?
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Yes … I would fully agree with such an assumption … and it is backed up by my Process Monitor recordings.
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I hope the patch 3 comes Tuesday vs Thursday
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YES!!! Finally, I missed the 185…
Oh sorry, in that case I misunderstood you 
Really nice analysis btw