Elevation Issues around Taxiways and runways

[ScorchedPine523]

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
After downloading SU2, there are elevation issues on a lot of airfields, like “edges” where the elevation of the ground changes. Mostly near parking spots, taxiways and runways.

Did you experience this issue before you joined the Beta?
No

ICAO, coordinates, or specific location:
Looked at so far: EDXX, EKLV, EDEY, Ultima Thule Lodge, EDZI, Homer Alaska

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes and Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Alwaya

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. Load one of the aforementioned airfields
2. Look around

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

[PC Only] Many issues may be due to an outdated graphics card. Please state your Graphics Card Driver Manufacturer (NVIDIA, Intel, AMD) and Version:
Latest

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
7800X3D
4800 Super
32GB Ram

MEDIA

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[NixonRedgrave]

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
I’m noting small elevation undulation changes at the intersections of two runways in SU2 Beta that were not present pre-SU2 Beta. I’ve noted them, thus far, at autogen KSBP and KPRB.

Did you experience this issue before you joined the Beta?
No

ICAO, coordinates, or specific location:
KSBP, KPRB

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
Yes

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Every Time

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. Load into KSBP
2. Use the drone camera to examine the intersections of 11/29 and 7/25 where taxiway E is located. Note a significant elevation change at this location.
3. Load into KPRB
4. Use the drone camera to examine the intersections of 1/19 and 13/31. Note how 13 is now sitting in a depression. Airport chart data indicates the elevation of the start of 19 at 803’ and the start of 13 at 810’, yet in the sim 13 is sitting below 19’s elevation.

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No.

[PC Only] Many issues may be due to an outdated graphics card. Please state your Graphics Card Driver Manufacturer (NVIDIA, Intel, AMD) and Version:

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?

MEDIA

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Aeral image of KSBP with area circled:

Drone cam sitting on 11/29 looking towards elevation hillock of 7/25 and taxiway E:

Drone image of KSBP showing depression where 13/31 intersects 1/19:

Chart showing actual elevation for 19 and 13:

You can see in this real-world image of runway 31 looking towards the intersection of 13 and 19 where there is no elevation change as seen in the sim:

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[ScorchedPine523]

Perhaps its the same issue like my reported bug?

Elevation Issues around Taxiways and runways

ISSUE DESCRIPTION Description of the issue: After downloading SU2, there are elevation issues on a lot of airfields, like “edges” where the elevation of the ground changes. Mostly near parking spots, taxiways and runways. Did you experience this issue before you joined the Beta? No ICAO, coordinates, or specific location: Looked at so far: EDXX, EKLV, EDEY, Ultima Thule Lodge, EDZI, Homer Alaska [PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing t…

[NixonRedgrave]

Bah! I frustrate myself when I enter a duplicate bug!

[Twodogzz]

Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes

Provide extra information to complete the original description of the issue:

• PC Store Version

• YSSY Kingsford Smith International airport Sydney Australia - same issue at threshold of runway 16R.

If relevant, provide additional screenshots/video:
• Video

FS24 SU2 Elevation Issues around Taxiways and runways

[NixonRedgrave]

Should we be concerned this hasn’t received feedback-logged yet?

[Twodogzz]

I see the tag now!

[WarpedGorgon55]

I’ve seen this at YSCB RWY 12 - the end of the runway is not level, kind of wavy, and the plane wheels sink in to the ground. Only noticed after SU2

[BossRaccoon7630]

This issue is not resolved with 14.10, the latest beta. I have posted it also on the developer’s forum:

[ScorchedPine523]

MMmhhh..for me and the aforementioned airfields, it is fixed…

[ScorchedPine523]

Ahhhhhhh…no…never mind. Less severe, but still there.

[BossRaccoon7630]

So in some places it is less severe and in some places it’s worst. For example, I don’t have as bad of an issue at the beginning of the runways but I do see worse terrain elevation issue along the runway and transitions from taxiways to runways. Not sure how this issue was introduced! All was good in SU1. It would be so nice if we don’t have to go forward a step without going backward 2 steps!

[WaggazM]

Have to ask out of curiosity but the height data sheet was that from one of the sheets in the efb if so makes it worse because the correct data is there and they give it to us

[NixonRedgrave]

The clips are from the Jeppesen chart via Navigraph.

However, the FAA’s chart is included with the default navdata and viewable via the EFB:

[NixonRedgrave]

I am not seeing this fixed at KPRB.

You can see how RWY 13 is down in a depression below RWY 19. Also see how 19 is distorted there by the painted marking where 13 intersects it.

And here at KSBP, I’m parked on the side of the slope (that doesn’t belong there, where 11/29 intersects 7/25) and the building in the background is partially submerged into the slope of the terrain. Note the man door on the left vs. the man door on the right. Also note the height of the building on the left vs. the right.

[WaggazM]

You understood exactly what I meant tho and brought up the image with the efb

[NixonRedgrave]

Yes, to answer your question and confirm your suspicion.

[ErDebugger]

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[NixonRedgrave]

Here’s another example at KMRY:

This is the airport chart. Note that 28L and 28R have a starting elevation of 257’ and 256’ respectively:

Look at this elevation difference as I am on short final. See how 28R is sitting down low in a very deep depression as compared to 28L:

And here is looking back toward their start points from the adjacent taxiway. This is the most extreme case I’ve encountered, thus far. It makes 28L look like it’s built on the top of a levee. Landing on 28R was pretty tricky given the trees at the foot of the runway blocked the start of the steep runway grade that the sim is generating:

I really hope this isn’t going to be one of those bugs that ends up in a final build…

[BossRaccoon7630]

Yes, I can also confirm that this issue is not resolved with 14.11. Hope it gets fixed and doesn’t end up in the final release.