Famous Flyer 12: Piper PA-28-236 Dakota

I am aware that airliners are complex to do however I wasn’t expecting super modern I was more hoping for more 1990’s style like the dash 8 100/200, Embrear 120 and metroliner 23 line where it’s a little complex but not too complex :slight_smile:

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i understand you, i wish i would still have that positivity re fs2024..

Another Carenado Piper? No thanks. They broke the radio in the Archer months ago and can’t be bothered to fix it. Easy pass on this one.

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Exactly. When i need to watch TBO in sim, ill watch the hobbs. :slight_smile:

Definitely quirky with some issues but I am very surprised to say I rather like it! When I started flying, my first 10 hours or so were on Cherokee 140’s before our club changed to a so-called “Cessna Pilot Centre” with brand new out the box C172’s. I quite enjoyed the Cherokees as they were very stable, forgiving and just felt more solid than the Cessnas. While I did end up flying a number of hours in a (similar in concept) C182, I never flew the then-PA28-235. I felt pretty lukewarm about both of these similar aircraft as I felt conceptually they did not offer that much extra. And yes, I do know they actually do offer quite a jump in payload, but still. Neither appealed to me. I went on to transition onto the Piper Arrow, Rockwell 114, Cherokee 6 300, C210 (owned) and finally Beech Debonair (owned).

Long story to say that I decided to try this aircraft in the sim just for the heck of it and with zero expectations. That probably contributed to the fact that I ended up quite enjoying it. Biggest difference to others is the quick throttle response right from the idle position, not as inclined to shed speed when configuring for landing in the circuit as I expected and floats way more on the flare than I recall Cherokees doing. That was the big change when I was learning to fly: got used to the fact that you can carry a few knots extra when landing with the Cherokee and you could just plonk it down while the 172 seemed to want to float forever if you are not exactly on the numbers. The sim version feels more 172-ish in that regard than the IRL Cherokees I recall.

Overall nothing spectacular but pleasant and different enough for me to add it to my list of aircraft that I fly regularly. This list is currently, in descending order of use:

  • C172 G1000
  • G36 Improvement mod
  • Grumman Albatross
  • Beaver
  • TBM 930
  • CJ4
  • Inibuilds A320 V2

Others I just fly as and when the mood moves me.

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I’m using a default configuration I use for every single engine aircraft.
Mixture Axis -100 to 100, but I have experimented with Mixture Axis 0 to 100 also and it functioned the same way.

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I agree it would be nice to add more but I don’t know why four.

Glad to know they have “gifted” us yet another piece of half baked trash.

Honestly, just stop. The local legends, the famous fliers, the “make goods”, just stop. If your going to do a sloppy and terrible job and not release a quality product, your not making good, your insulting us.

There is a huge backlog of broken planes like the Skyvan and B707 that we paid extra for in FS24 that you havent bothered to fix, and your still piling on “contractual obligation” planes like this that we know your never going to make right.

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That’s really unfair, it’s pretty good for free. For me I’m satisfied they’ve ’made good’ (although that doesn’t mean I’m delighted with the current state of the sim)

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I wouldn’t call it “trash”. I mean I’m not really a Carenado fan myself (I’m more into Black Square, COWS, Just Flight, FSReborn, A2A, ect) but there are tons of people that like Carenado stuff.

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If they cant do a quality job for a free sample, why would I trust them to make a good paid product? I’m never buying another Caranado product. Aeroplane Heaven products now or in the future are out of the question also.

Imagine you get the opertunity to have somthing officially marketed by the sims developers, and instead of using the opertunity to impress people with the quality and realisim and sound design, you make a copy paste aircraft that you roll your eyes at and rush out to meet a deadline and contractual obligations. Its infuriating to me.

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I don’t see it being much different than any other Carenado product. I’m a really big fan of GA flying and my first Carenado product was their Cessna 182Q for FS9. I used Carenado aircraft quite a lot till A2A released their Cessna 172R for FSX. These days I hardly ever with the exception of the Cessna T210M and Piper PA-31 with the Reality Expansion Pack from SimCoders for XP 12.

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I mean, it’s a free plane. I wasn’t expecting excellence, but it’s a decent plane. It’s definitely not as good as the Carenado F33A though, but that doesn’t surprise me because that’s a paid product.

I guess it’s just hard for me to get upset over something that I got for free, that I don’t even have to fly at all if I don’t want to.

It’s like, that’s fine, I’ll just fly something else.

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I think it’s more that we were promised free products and we assumed those would be actually reasonably good. We’re “paying” for them, in essence, by putting up with the launch of FS2024 shenanigans. Sure, we didn’t buy it, but things like the clock not working properly are kinda… immersion breaking? As far as flying and how the plane looks, I think it’s pretty great myself.

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You could put it this way, sure, but

  1. that’s a bug of many around in any software and nothing more or less and
  2. it’s a matter of perspective in the end.

Maybe it’s a more than well used aircraft of a flight school on which that clock and Hobbs are simply broken and the door being sticky. As long as it’s not on the minimum equipment list it doesn’t matter for actually flying the aircraft. With this perspective that bug may add immersion until it got fixed by a mechanic named Carenado.

Build a funny story around it as long as it’s usable. It’s a simulator meant for entertainment (as you cannot log training hours on it anyway because it’s running on a personal computer with random hardware - and yes, the same thing is valid for X-Plane).

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I’ve just done two flights in the Dakota and I’m really enjoying it! She’s a lovely little plane :blush:
Yes it has a couple little quirks such as the door not opening and the mixture lever not seeming to work with the Bravo on startup, but I’m hoping these will be fixed and at least they’re not show stoppers.

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Agreed - 2hrs on the clock, and looking forward to more.

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Er, the door opens. There are two latches - you know that right?

My compass (HDI? Just above the yoke) is showing the wrong direction and I can’t seem to adjust it, any tips?