Yes, and because of this I had to spend a fortune on addons to get it looking decent but still no way as good as FS20. The default aircraft from memory (apart from Cessna 172 maybe) was pretty ‘meh’ too.
Also if it hadn’t been for the freeware gateway airports I would have had to have spent a heck of a lot more as well.
Laminar relied a lot on freeware devs/payware devs to get it up to scratch. Because of all these addons Xplane took up about 900gb SSD space too.
Just trying to be fair here
All this said, hoping for better with XP12 and that it won’t need as many addons
I don’t think anyone who’s objectively compared both sims could realistically argue otherwise. You have a flight model developed by an aeronautical engineer and pilot compared to one developed by a game studio with some inputs from pilots. It doesn’t mean that the MSFS model is bad. It jsut means the XP one is better.
Don’t sell yourself short. You express yourself in English (at least in writing. - never heard you speak so I can’t comment on that) with far more clarity than some native speakers of the language.
No. They’ve always said (at least at XP 10 times) that they have no interest in it at all. It is a program created for simulating bodies and wings in the air. Graphics have always been a community affair.
Is MSFS so different there? I’ve spent nearly £500 just on scenery add-ons for the UK. I can’t afford to fly to Europe! I just can’t bring myself to land at a non payware, handcrafted airport, I buy scenery for all areas that I fly. I guess it’s not essential because the default is decent, but if there’s better available I will always buy it to enhance the experience.
Well, Kjaye767, for me MSFS2020 scenery and airports were pretty good from day one and I felt no real need to buy addons in this regard.
Admittedly, I did buy a couple of meshes and Central England scenery from Orbx but I don’t think that there was any real need. I also had Pilot2Atc from my XP11 days so ATC was pretty well covered there too.
I now only buy high fidelity aircraft and virtually nothing else and my FS20 SSD footprint must be well below a half of what it was in XP11 (not checked for a long time tbh).
But, anyway, we are all different and have different expectations so I have no problems with others who have alternative views. As some say, YMMV
I believe a lot of the upset about MSFS is due to unrealistic expectations, mainly based on what we were initially told that MSFS would be, vs want we received.
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Its not that MSFS is a bad Simulator – as Sims go, it is pretty fantastic, and has many good, advanced feature,
BUT
Unfortunately it was (and still is) Hyped up to be far more than it is, and realistically can ever be, so all that does is result in disappointment, anger, and frustration.
It depends. As I said, flight data can be comprehensive and correct, but the sim has to process it properly. So if the creator uses the internal FD processor (flight dynamics engine), he has to work with what’s there. Or the creator can create their own external FD engine and do whatever they want. So, to answer your question more directly, a 3rd party aircraft can be more correct or it can be less for the same matter.
That is true. The environment is modelled by a completely different part of the sim.
Well, it’s certainly aspiring. Unfortunately, I haven’t flown for some time, so I cannot judge how far it went, but about a year ago, let’s say, there was a lot to work on.
If you think about the goals they set, it can clarify a lot. Microsoft, when starting FS2020, has never set the goal to create a simulator with the most realistic flight dynamics possible on a desktop PC, and, understanding what a storm it can create, I still daresay nor they hired a developer that is up to the task. However, you shouldn’t consider XPl flight modelling to be impeccable, too.
What Ken said is indeed the key point of all those discussions. Despite this is not comparable to a real experience the simulator is not only the visuals. And remember it´s still an entertainment product. But most people is amazed by the visuals and by the possibility to fly wherever you want and that alone does not turn this into the king of simulators. Yes, that rocks, but what about the rest of features a simulator is expected to offer?
There is where you start to notice the difference with the existing platforms, either the combat simulators or the civilian ones and you notice the giant gaps MSFS has in some cases. Existing are not complete, sure, but at least they have working avionics and functional systems. Is it too hardcore that a 737 checklist is as close as the real one in game and it takes you minutes to execute it? Well, maybe, but that the stock A320 can be turned on with less than 10 clicks, than half of the cockpit is not functional and that the onboard computer is not even able to work with the basics of a flight plan is maybe too softcore and definitely not what someone that has used FSX, P3D and XPlane would expect in 2022. And when it happens to most of the stock airliners then you realize that this is not as good as what you had before.
Lucky us, third party devs solved that. They created study level products and even not so high level but yet above the average and you can enjoy the procedures, the more complex systems, you learn something you didn´t know about one system or aircraft, etc. But those products require also good performance and stability and is where the game core starts to show its weakness and the lack of maturity compared to the existing ones. You spent 15 minutes with a checklist and then taxi starts and you get 15 fps, you start to climb and you see a sudden change in weather and clouds pop in, you try an approach and AI controller behaves erratically and you have a CTD during approach. Is this a simulator? Mmmmm… We don´t need a Bing Maps simulator but a flight simulator, still for home entertainment, but also still a flight simulator.
If I wanna train crosswind landings or IFR procedures Xplane, if I wanna go sight seeing MS2020.
Regarding flight model, the best is DCS Combat Simulator. All prop planes are simulated very very well.
My word, this would be a setback! I remember flying a Warrior (in the sim). I got into IMC and the aircraft immediately started to ice up. I thought to myself, I have to get out of here. And I remember the feeling I had, like a clock ticking towards something very unlucky. IFR flying will be really bland in the sim without this icing threat
Bad news is, that they probbably never gonna change it, for the same reason why they dumped down so many things.
Seb said during one of the live Q&A that poeple would not understand what is going on thus their support will be overhmeld with requests and questions about broken sim so they will keep it as it is.
I saw that Q&A … Thought it was a little (A LOT) Condescending.
Typically when people tell you they need not explain something to you because you will not understand, is, because they do not understand it well enough to explain it !!!
When Austin Meyer (from X-Plane) explains something in detail, he know what he is talking about so well, that he can explain it in a way that almost Everyone can understand .. That’s the difference.
I do not find FS2020 so “Disappointing” in what it is – but rather disappointing in what it could be, and is not .. but maybe that will change going forward.
Touchy subject, but if they ever split off the PC development branch from the X-Box branch, there they maybe some hope for two products, that better suit BOTH platforms.
Then again, if a new next gen X-box, is released in the future, more suited to MSFS, then everyone will be happy (except those with the Old 2022 X-box systems !! )
For me personally , even the Current MSFS adequately meets my needs, so I am happy and reasonably content – I can get IMMERSED in it for the aspect I am interested in
It servers the purpose I purchased it for as a RL Pilot, and has already save me a small fortune , as a training and familiarization tool ..
