Grudgingly agree - I really hope the actual modelers and painters are able to see past the calls for a closed system (the “old way” of doing things), and work towards cooperation on a piece of work that benefits the community.
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OCI is downloading the files directly from the website of the creator to the users computer, just as the user would do via the browser. No files are modified or reuploaded elswhere, so copyright is not violated.
Absolutely - and the fact that a standard package that gets good saturation across the base (FBW for example) has a much better chance of direct input from the devs.
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Yes. I am perfectly aware how this technicality works. I’m also aware how hilarious and sad at the same time it is to see people bickering about permissions when their own package resorts to a technicality to circumvent the requirement for permissions.
actual OCI is using paints by community members of AIG, so it is using them with premissions as well. And AIG has not denied the use of paints to FSLTL, it was each individual painter.
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@Kaiii3 I believe the mail I got today says the opposite. It says “We do not grant you use of FLAi paints/AIG models as well, as those are still OUR paints and models”
Someone got mistaken?
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Hi Sofie.
Having read the email that was sent to you today, it gave details of which works could not be used - and stated that any works in the FLAI package that are by the same authors also could not be used.
I hope this clears it up.
AIG is on the one hand a group that releases stuff under the AIG “Brand” and on the other hand a big community where each indicidual is releasing their own work (not under the AIG brand). So this could have caused some misunderstandings. Since I was not directly involved in the mail i can not say whats the correct content of it, but I guess the Painters in the AIG community have replayed to you as one since it seems you only contacted one of them.
update: Got word from the author of the mail:
“[…]the email to her was endorsed by members of the websites listed,as well as Admin at AIG[…]”
@Kaiii3 I see a contradiction in your words with @oTLRo. I was sure that e-mail I got today is an official AIG statement, as it says it’s a “collective decision”.
I would really appreciate if you two discuss it one more time and give me a final precise legal notice.
So basically, you explicitly use a technicality to avoid requiring permissions from others to use their work to integrate your package, but on the other hand, you seem very eager to deny permission to others.
Yes. This won’t get you in any legal trouble, but I’d be surprised if you did not see how hypocritical it is.
The email stands - as Kai is not a painter or modeler he had no involvement in that.
as said in the last update, the mail is endorsed by individual painters (see the mail) and the AIG staff, so it guess the mail-content will list names and websites of individual users as well of groups (incl. AIG) that do not grant premission.
AIG OCI is not a package! It is a method to install AI automatically.
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Ah, the marvels of semantics.
Ok, @oTLRo, thank you for the clarification.
I assume any work by artists mentioned in the mail still can’t be used if it is injected the same method as OCI, that doesn’t require a permission as stated by @Kaiii3? Whiteout hosting or modification?
EDIT: I have to remind that FSLTL installer is an automated tool, just like others, which requires old regular FLAi installation on the end user machine, so FSLTL never had plans to host AIG liveries, or any liveries. And this was stated months ago, plenty of links are available for the proof.
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Abriael, I don’t see why you are framing your words to create a negative perspective of AIG unless that is your primary intent.
The AIM-OCI program is a time-saving convenience I use to enhance my simulator. It saves me from having to do the work manually. If I didn’t use the software and performed the steps manually, then I am “technically avoiding the requirement to get permission from others to use their work.” Can you see how crazy that sounds when applied to the average simmer, but you are applying it to the AIG software??? The end result is one in the same except for the time and effort involved.
It’s not semantics at all. It’s a process that is followed either manually or automatically. It’s like using a macro utility to save typing the same thing over and over. That doesn’t make the macro bad because it’s automatic.
It’s a program that works with other people’s work without their permission, explicit or implicit.
And it’s a technicality AIG expressly uses as a bullet point to promote its software.
You’re very free to accept it because it saves you time, but that doesn’t change the fact mentioned above.
Maybe I’m dense, but what is the difference it I do the same thing manually or use software to do it? How does that make the software bad? I’m doing exactly the same thing the software is doing.
What a mess guys… 
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