How are people complaining of graphics?

You buy a product and this product gets monthly updates. You expect it to get better. Instead, it gets worse. That is what we are complaining. If I had known that I would not be able to fly A320 without Fly By Wire, I would not have purchased this product. At least for now.

Clearly this is an unfinished product and they released it earlier than it supposed to be. Even the default visuals are great, better than any other sim in the market for sure. But that is not why we are complaining. We are complaining because visually it gets worse.

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I have nothing against complaining as long as it’s constructive. Post saying this or that is completely broken is too vague when so many of us don’t share the same experience. If you don’t follow up with details then it’s worth nothing.

I agree. Let me be more precise. If I compare the released version and the recent one with patch, I am complaining because I can see the downgrades below:

-LOD problems
-Water reflections
-Night lights
-AA problems (especially after the recent patch)
-Blurry textures in high altitudes

To respect the subject of this topic, I am only mentioning the visual issues.

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Agreed, it was probably released prematurely. And Asobo is most likely going through an iterative process to balance performance and graphics quality while fixing problems.

I haven’t really noticed a degradation in graphics that affects my enjoyment of flying. And if I did, I’d just go off and do something else until it was fixed.

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Few things are as silly as the use of the term “downgrade” describing a game’s graphics. Visual optimization is a balancing act. Finite resources are shifted from one piece to the other, which could be other visual elements or simply improving performance.

PS: No. He’s not blind, he simply can appreciate great graphics, which this game has, instead of nitpicking on small details for the sake of whining.

If this is so problematic for you, I’d advise never to use flight simulators close to launch. They’re pretty literally the most complex commercial software you’ll find, which means launch issues are the norm, not the exception. And this is the most complex of them all out of the box.

And if you think this is not true, this must be your first commercial flight simulator, because ALL went through it, even worse, and with much slower solutions.

Flight simulators are never really “finished” until several years into their lifetime. I’d rather have the product and be able to fly than wait for years and keep looking at trailers.

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I posted my before/after comparisons here:

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Okay guys you keep defending it. I also know that it is complex, but after each patch, I see new bugs. For example, with the recent patch, houses in urban areas became apartments or buildings. I wonder what kind of test team do they have for these patch. Like I wonder how do they not notice these things which I can immediately see after launching a flight. This is silly, this makes me feel like an idiot.

You are right, I should not have bought it right after the launch. Or I could try it on gamepass in order to save my money. At the moment I feel like I paid 100$ to a product which do not deserve its service. Let’s skip visuals, what about flight dynamics? Live weather issues? ATC issues? IFR issues? Autopilot issues? You keep defending it, I can’t play the sim like this. I do not enjoy like this. And I wish I could.

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Got to avoid that thread. Can’t deal with facts. Can’t bring evidence to justify my complaint either. Best I go to another thread and continue complaining with a couple of like-minded there. Seems logical. LOL

If you don’t enjoy it, that’s your problem. Put it down and go do something you can enjoy until it’s fixed, instead of continuously complaining on the forums and contributing to making the atmosphere toxic for those who DO enjoy it.

They likely have a very normal test team that has to deal with a very complex product with a million moving parts.

We defend it because it’s way better than competing products out of the box, and it will improve much further. It isn’t our first rodeo, and we’ve seen this happen time and time again, so we know it’s pretty much endemic of the genre. Rather have flight simulators and go through a few months of issues as the team fine tune it, than not have flight simulators of this complexity at all.

We also defend it because a lot of people here are absolutely unable to provide constructive feedback without being toxic, which isn’t ok, so since their moms didn’t teach them, we will.

Incidentally defending the graphics is really easy, because they’re the best in the industry right now, and it isn’t even a fair competition.

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I spent five years as an F-16 simulator instructor. And despite the resources of mighty Lockheed-Martin, that thing was never finished, and the graphics compared to MSFS2020 were prehistoric. The image generator alone ran on 7(!) different operating systems, was always breaking, and the servers alone filled an air-conditioned building. And we’ve got this on one simple PC!

I’m flying around my local area on MSFS while my airplane is in the shop. The fidelity of the graphics to me is incredible. For the first time, I can do traffic pattern work, dead-reckoning navigation, and pilotage. The graphics are that good. The flight dynamics and aircraft systems need work, but that will come with time, as will even more improved graphics, and multi-monitor support. I don’t feel entitled to have everything working perfectly so close to the initial release… if ever!

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What kind of attitude you have? With all due respect, you cannot teach me anything. This is a free platform where people share their opinions about the sim, positive or negative feedbacks. I am spending my time in the forum because I do want this sim to be improved.

I am muting this topic because I do not want to argue with you, obviously first, you need to get some manner before judging other people with this kind of manner. We are sharing our opinions. That’s all. Writer of this topic asked WTF some people are complaining about visuals (which I found the attitude bad as well), and I shared my opinions:

-LOD problems
-Water reflections
-Night lights
-AA problems (especially after the recent patch)
-Blurry textures in high altitudes

There are some posts about these problems and hundreds of people are complaining about these issues to make Asobo/Microsoft aware so that they can hopefully fix them in the future. So go to those topics and teach some manner to them if you think their mothers did not do that well. I am done with you now.

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This will give you some inisght into what MS and Asobo are up to and put the patches into good context. There is a huge amount of information in here, but their commitment ir clear.

This is the developer Q&A from earlier. I think it should be made compulsory viewing for all forum users.

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All of these issues are addressed here…

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Yeah. Sure I can’t. :joy:

Asobo is very aware about the issues. Incidentally, the best way to make them aware of things they may not be aware of is the Zendesk, not the forums, and there is a specific Bugs and Issues forum to discuss bug and issues instead of bogging general discussions down.

And I’m ready to bet 99% of the people complaining incessantly on the forums never use the Zendesk, because their aim isn’t to get the problems solved, but simply to make noise.

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This is exactly the issue

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Issue? Maybe not. I see it as amusement they offer us between enjoying flying the sim.

100% agree with the topic creator

Look madrid in 1080p ultra settings after update.

no antialiasing , textures bad… etc etc

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Looks very good to me.

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There is nothing worse than people complaining about others’ complains. :man_facepalming:t2:

You don’t care? good for you!. Most people here are complaining about very specific graphics things, with detailed info demonstrating how things have gone worse and worse with every patch (even more for those in the alphas) so I think these are very legit complains. You want more fps?, then just turn down the ■■■■ settings, but not cripple the whole graphic potential of the title!, at least without a clear explanation about it. Isn’t that logic for you?.

Again, you might not care, but drawing distance IS a thing in flight sims, and if it has been severely downgraded I think we as users have the right to point about it!. Does this mean that the sim looks garbage?, absolutely not!, but why be satisfied with 50% when we can have 100%?.

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