Hybrid units using km and km/h instead of nm and kts

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:

When using Hybrid units of measurement, speeds are in km/h, e.g.

  • Wind speed in main menu.
  • Speed objectives and distances in career in km and km/h (eventhough airspeed indicator for the aircraft selected is in kts).

Countries using hybrid units use km or m for visibility ONLY, otherwise distance should be in nm, speed in kts.

QNH is now in hPa I noticed, thats a welcoming change, however, in the ATIS the QNH is given as a decimal number, for example QNH 1019.78.

Other than that, wind in ATIS is still not rounded to the nearest 10 degrees.

If applicable, which aircraft is experiencing this issue:

All.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?

Yes.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?

Every time.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Select Hybrid units
  2. Fly career mission, observe distance in km and airspeed objectives in km/h
  3. Select free flight, observe wind in km/h in main menu.
  4. Listen out any ATIS in Europe, observe QNH given as a decimal number.
  5. Observe ATIS wind not rounded to nearest 10 degrees.

YOUR SETTINGS

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What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

Not relevant.

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?

No.

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?

RTX 4070

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Yeah it’s strange. In the EFB you can chose your units any way you want but in the game settings there’s still only US and the strange hybrid that’s neither used this way in Europe nor the U.S.

Europe (except some microlight):
distance (flying): nm
distance (visibility): km
elevation and altitude: ft
speed: kts
pressure: hectopascal
temperature: °C
wind: kts

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• I cannot believe they broke this in 2024, because it was alright in 2020.

Hybrid to me is what @GAFlyer24 wrote.

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I cannot believe they broke this in 2024, because it was alright in 2020.

it wasn’t alright in 2020, sadly.

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: In career mode the target speeds are expressed in km/h instead of knots, both in briefings and during flight.

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue? I have not removed anything

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Every time

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Set the system format to Swedish, sim language to en-US and use hybrid mode for units
  2. Go to career mode and check the briefing for any mission

YOUR SETTINGS

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[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No

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[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? Not relevant

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? Not relevant

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i find this bug more than a little surprisng sihce the developer, Asobo, is French, and French aviators do not use KM for distance. rather, they use the following, like the rest of Europe:

  • Distance: nautical miles (NM)
  • Height, altitude, flight level: feet (ft)
  • Horizontal aeronautical speed: knots (kt)
  • Vertical Aeronautical Speed: feet per minute (ft/min)
  • Wind direction: sexagesimal degrees (°)
  • Wind intensity: knots (kt)
  • Horizontal visibility: kilometres (km)
  • Temperature: degrees Celsius (°C)
  • Pressure: hectoPascal (hPa)

(source: Pilot rules - IVAO France)

i don’t believe there’s any aviation jurisdiction on earth which uses the mix that Asobo have brewed up. the few places (China? i think) that use KM and KM/H use full Metric, not a hybrid.

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Not only Europe, most of the world uses these units. I have no idea what country uses KM and KM/H nowadays, must be very few, even Russia doesn’t use the metric system anymore (in aviation).

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This has carried over from FS2020. It is desperately needed to be able to choose ALL of your units individually.

The world is NOT the US!

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
• Yes

We need a fix ASAP.

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The world is NOT the US!

indeed not. however, they let you set non-US units. it’s just that they get them wrong, for inexplicable reasons.

meanwhile, their AI ATC voices are all American no matter where you go (despite there being perfectly decent regional English voices BUILT INTO WINDOWS), but they use “tree” for “three” and “fife” fpr “five” which is 100% a European thing and NEVER used in the US (and actually pretty rare in Europe nowdays tbh, if you listen to real ATC streams).

what’s that maxim? “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.”

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Tree, Fower, Ait and Niner is ICAO phraseology, not just EU. That nobody uses these phrases (except niner) is a different story. I have to admit, when I heard “fower” on an ATIS I had to listen 3 times before I understood it, in all my 15 years of flying I have only heard “fower” being used once and it was on an ATIS :grinning_face:.

Anyway, they implemented hPa now but the US 18.000 ft transition altitude remained unfortunately.

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US phraseology is the least ICAO compliant in the world IMO. Please don’t let that standard be your baseline. Also, some US accents probably don’t lend themselves to the use of those words above, especially southern. I guess they way the sounds are said are subtly different to their real English counterparts (most would kind of be half way between five and fife for example), but I have heard them used around Oceania, and all across Asia.

Yeah the units are completely wrong for most of the world, still a hang up from fsx and before! One day, we’ll have them. Hopefully they’ve made 2024’s system even more open that we can mod it enough to be acceptable!

Transition levels are funny things, as each country has their own, and even airports within countries have different ones. In Vietnam for example the transition level out of VVTS HoChiMinh/Saigon is 18000’ but only within 40nm. Dalat and other higher airports use 10000’/FL110 whilst the rest are at 9000’/FL100. Australia is across the board at 10000’/FL110 or more depending on QNH, and Japan is at 14000’/FL140. If they add the levels to their database for each airport and one field was for transition level/ALT (just like they’re available on FMC databases) it would make things much more accurate.

But we’ve waited already 4 years so far with FS2020…

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Thank you for the bug report.

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Anyway, they implemented hPa now but the US 18.000 ft transition altitude remained unfortunately.

they have Lido charts now, which clearly state the transition altitude for each departure. they could just reference them, right? that would seem to be the logical solution.

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Do you have the same issue if you follow the OP’s steps to reproduce it?
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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue:
Target speeds in mission and training instructions are given in km/h. Km/h is not a routinely used measure of speed in aviation and all aircraft speed indicators show speed in knots. Constant conversion is required to make sense of training and mission instructions and succeed with good scores. Changing unit preferences in settings makes no difference.

e.g.

  • takeoff, climb, approach and landing speeds
  • sightseeing speeds
  • water drop speed
  • water scoop speed
  • para drop speed

[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue?
No addons installed.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)?
Every time, every mission, every certifdication training session.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Play any mission/certification training session.
  2. Listen to or read the instructions.

YOUR SETTINGS

If the issue still occurs with no mods and add-ons, please continue to report your issue. If not, please move this post to the User Support Hub.

What peripherals are you using, if relevant:

[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it?
No

[PC, MSFS 2020 Only] Are you using DX11 or DX12?
n/a (MSFS 2024)

[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use?
NVIDIA GeFOrce RTX 4080

[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share?
Full fibre broadband internet, 900Mbps up/down

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it’s insane using km/h for career mode, also here in Europe with the metric system. Here for speed always use KNOTS !!!
please fix this absurd bug

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Hello,
This bug still here in SU2, please fix it :folded_hands:

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ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Description of the issue: In career mode, with hybrid mode for units, the distance remaining to the next waypoint in the visual aid is displayed in km instead of nm.

Did you experience this issue before you joined the Beta? SU1 & SU2.
[PC Only] Did you remove all your community mods/add-ons? If yes, are you still experiencing the issue? Yes.

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

How often does this occur for you (Example: Just once, every time on sim load, intermittently)? Every time.

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

  1. Using hybrid mode
  2. Launching a flight in career mode with visual assistance
  3. The distance displayed is in km

YOUR SETTINGS

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[PC Only] Are you using Developer Mode or have you made any changes to it? No.
[PC Only] What GPU (Graphics Card) do you use? ASUS ROG 3080Ti.
[PC Only] What other relevant PC specs can you share? AMD 9800X3D, 2k rez.

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