People keep saying its a $1600 card, I mean in the UK you are lucky to get one for £2000 and that’s if you are lucky. I was very tempted, but I paid £1770 for my 3090 and that was at inflated prices. I just dont think the market will sustain £2000+ every 2 years. I guess people can gen skip. I dont know, but the prices are wacky.
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We need faster CPU’s, not faster graphic cards, 3090 is more than enough for MSFS, and DLSS is always a degredation in image quality.
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Have any of you found any legitimate reviews of 4090 and msfs? Everything I’ve found are MSFS or NVIDIA sponsored and of course it’s never a real comparison because no one is flying in live weather with live traffic. Everything I see are people doing “discovery flights” which are typically clear skies, no traffic or multiplayer, and a Cessna flying over NYC (or the basic a320) which I just feel isn’t a true comparison. I’d love to see a real simmer’s video of 4090
Yes cpu bottleneck is still an issue, but a 3080 or even my 3080 Ti are VRAM limited too which is an issue in dx12 beta. DLSS 3.0 and frame regeneration are also huge perks with this new series.
Few in avsim. 4090 roughly same as 3090, cpu bottlenecked. Would like to see a real simmer use 7950x with 4090 at 4K. I will do that once mine is built.
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I don’t disagree the RTX 4000 series will be good all around. I just don’t think that the 4090 is worth it, much like I don’t think the 3090 (at the $2000 prices 2 years ago) was worth it for the sim. The difference in performance between the 3080 and 3090 was minimal at best due to the CPU bottleneck. I don’t see this being any different with the 4000 series. Yeah, the 4090 is all that’s available atm, and I get that. I just don’t think it’s worthwhile rushing out to buy one expecting some giant performance leap. I don’t buy the fake frame generator as being a be-all end-all solution to MSFS performance. Like I said earlier, I don’t see a stuttery 60-70 fps (due to CPU) with frame generation being any better than a stuttery 30-35 fps without.
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I’ll race you:joy:
I’m waiting on my 7950X and MB which come in tomorrow. Then will just need to wait for my AM5 cpu bracket from NZXT which comes in hopefully next week.
Can’t wait to see the difference.
Hmm, in all fairness, I do not get any stutters with the 4090. If anything, that is the one thing that mostly improved from my 3090Ti. It’s rock solid on the fps right now. I just feel like the cpu is holding this gpu back. Not that it’s causing stutters, but rather that it is holding back fps.
It almost feels like this card can do 100+ fps with RAW settings, but the CPU is just stalling it.
I don’t expect the 7950X to completely unlock this GPU, but should improve it quite a bit.
What I’m really looking forward is for the X3D next year.
Considering that no current CPU can saturate even a 3090 in MSFS (not even close), I honestly highly doubt that the 7000 series or the 13th gen Intel will fare a bunch better.
Not saying the 4090 is bad. I just think it’s crazy overkill and it will never be fully used by MSFS. Not it’s VRAM nor it’s computer power. The extra 10-20% IPC you’ll get from the next gen CPUs will be lost in the 50% processing power gain of the 4090.
The 4080 is gonna be the MSFS sweet spot. If you’re not in a hurry, wait a month and snag one. Because most of what makes the 4090 awesome is the frame doubling (which y’all can say is fake or artifacted all you want, I’m loving it and finding it totally changes the experience) and the 4080 is likely going to pull that off just as well. And the 16GB of memory is only 1GB less than the most I’ve seen MSFS use.
Just theory based on owning a 4090, and I have other non-MSFS uses that will make the 24GB/top performance worth the price delta for me. But I’ll betcha 4080 owners are going to see performance super-close to 4090 owners, at $400 less.
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Absolutely agree. That will get much better usage than a 4090 and won’t be much slower. It will be cheaper, and have a lower power draw too. And 16GB is plenty for MSFS.
In any case, I’d be utterly shocked to see any discernable performance difference in MSFS between a 4080 and 4090 in the same system either with or without frame generation or DLSS3.
That certainly makes it worth it if you can actually use it. Buying any GPU with 24GB just for gaming purposes alone is so overkill, particularly in a CPU bound title. If you can put that GPU to work and fully use it for other stuff, then it’s definitely worth it.
Yeah the 4080 will likely be the sweet spot, that is if you can find one at RRP. What the Ampere launch illustrated to me was that the 4080 will likely be in very hot demand, and if you’re not living in the US where big retailers like Microcenter are willing to sell at RRP, chances are the street price of the 4080 will climb to the point where you might as well pay a bit extra and go for the 4090.
2 years back when the 3090 and 3080 launched the 3080 was absolutely impossible to find, the 3090 a bit less so. I was glad that I brought the 3090 because I feared that the 3080 wait lists were going to stretch out for months, and the launch shortages (caused by Nvidia not buying enough wafers from Samsung, based on low Turing sales) later became a full blown GPU shortage, with street prices going through the roof. If I had waited for the 3080 I would’ve lost out big time because the street price for the 3080 rose to close to what I paid for the 3090, and the 3090 prices went completely stratospheric.
Right now I’m getting similar vibes with the 4090 still out of stock online a week after launch, despite people like MLID saying that supply will be plentiful. I just hope that in a week or 2 stock from the slow boat would arrive en masse, as the current supply (or lack thereof) is most likely air freighted.
I beg to differ. With the benchmarks I’ve done (I posted these in another thread), the sim runs at higher fps and with less stutters with a 4090 vs 3090 both with and without frame generation. The problem with frame generation is visual artifacts, and some people seem more sensitive to this than others. I couldn’t care less if the frames are “real” or “fake”.
The benchmark below is from a flight around the LA area with all settings maxed out (except TLOD 150 otherwise the main thread would be sky-high). Notice the lack of stutters. Yeah perhaps a DLSS3 average of 55 is not that great (it’s twice what I got with myt 3090, all settings equal except DLSS3), but this is one of the most demanding situations in the sim - iniBuild’s KLAX with AI traffic. I also threw in a heavy cloud layer.
I did some low flying in NZ yesterday in a fast aircraft with DLSS3. The whole experience with DLSS3 and G-Sync was quite awesome.
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For what its worth, I found those NZXT brackets at my Microcenter (I didn’t want to wait at the time 2 weeks to get the bracket). Not sure if you have a Microcenter near you, but in the case you do and don’t want to wait.
What’s your CPU if I may ask? Thanks for the video, looks great!!
Not seeing anything special there so running about 65fps there without the trickery? Still seems a bit jerky in places that certainly doesn’t seem any better than how my 308012gb tuf and x3d are running.
How’s it running over a city in a pmdg 737 ? Give that 4090 some work to do instead of letting it cruise along with a little plane 
It’s a 12900KF
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Sorry don’t want to ruin the party but despite the very high fps count I still see micro stuttering. Or is it just me?
I notice very little stuttering in the sim. There’s always some stuttering introduced with the video capture. I was using the Xbox game bar which has a max frame rate of 60. Don’t have any external recording device.
But it’s true that at lower fps overall the visual artifacts are more noticeable. This is iniBuild’s Heathrow with the Fenix:
Look, I’m not saying this is the be-all end-all for MSFS performance. It doesn’t solve the inherent main thread limitations. For what it’s worth, I think it’s great.
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To me the relevant topic are the min fps, specially at ground level, because even with more modest GPUs you can also get >50fps while flying high as the workload is not so high unless you are on heavy clouds with ultra textures. According to the videos the ground performance is still in the 30-40fps range at big airports and with DX12, like in your landing at Heathrow. I get similar figures with my 3080Ti and a 12th gen CPU too so if the 4090 is not able to improve those figures with a 12th gen CPU then what system can do it? 
We may have reached an engine core limitation here.
Cheers
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