I’m fairly certain all Aviator Edition-specific aircraft are Unverified.
It’s not unique to the 707. Regardless, it’s poor form.
If that is the case, I can’t believe they sold a top tier priced version of the sim based on all these unverified (whether they work or not) aircraft for fs2024. 
There must be some consumer laws infringed on right there.
Then never to look at them again in nearly 9 months since release.
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I’m long past feeling pretty aggrieved from purchasing the Aviator Edition.
It is remarkable that it was allowed to pass this way.
Like so many parts of 2024 that are subpar, the aircraft were better in 2020 and the extra expense of the higher level editions never left a bitter taste like this does.
If they take pride in their failings and mistreatment of their faithful base, that’s on them. They have my money, this time, next time I’m not buying anything other than the base edition. The aircraft available outside the sim are light years better, as are the airports. I shouldn’t have allowed my excitement to cloud what I could have easily guessed would be a load of poor quality for the extra spend.
Disgusted is how it leaves me.
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I just went for Premium Deluxe, as I had all the FFs and LL’s that I was interested in already.
I’m more shocked that they couldn’t do a flawless (and verified) port of their own products into FS2024. I mean it’s not like we were expecting them to be full FS2024 aircraft, but you’d think they could at least have managed to get their own aircraft verified as compatible if they were selling them as part of a premium product thing.
I really wish the 707 hadn’t been dropped so hard after launch. Unlike Boeing, maybe they didn’t sell enough of them. 
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Their track record with the LL/FF/ES aircraft really speaks for itself. It seems like all they care about is presenting the fancy trailer and excitement of the announcement. The followthrough so often falls on its face.
Have you ever heard of Ed Wood, the infamous director? He was known for single takes of scenes without any discernment regarding their quality.
I feel SO much of how MSFS is being produced is handled this way. “That’s a wrap!” after one take, regardless of the quality of that take, is the order of the day.
Blech. It could be so much better if someone was looking at it with a critical eye.
I tire of the mental gymnastics I’ve had to learn to perform to be able to compartmentalize and block out all that would truly upset me if I didn’t perform them.
I just about never come here to talk about it any longer, because it is pointless to do so. It leads nowhere, because no one who cares is listening.
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You’ve definitely spoken a few truths there. I get the same feeling about sim updates sometimes. They seem more interested in hitting deadline dates than whether they’ve just introduced then released it with a major bug or not. SU2 being a prime example. Anyhow I digress. But you’re not wrong. I’m almost teetering on the verge of not caring any more, a few months of having a broken product does that to me.
It’s a very mixed bag, sometimes they commission the planes to devs with a true love for simulation and aviation and the results are outstanding: Bluemesh, AT Simulations, Mike Johnson, they have delivered some FFs/LLs that are truly awesome.
Some other times they commission these planes to devs that seem to purposely deliver a low quality product maybe thinking that it makes their payware products look better or maybe to punish microsoft for what they cosnder a bad deal: “you pay me this? this is what you got”. This seems to be the case with AH Inibuilds, or HPG that have a proven track of better products and yet they failed with the sim planes.
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I’m sure there are many of us that would prefer if they did 2-3 very good well tested releases in a year as opposed to 10 decidedly average ones, but the 10 new things rushed out keep the PR Op going which is what the model seems to be. Quantity over quality. Keep the PR / marketing headlines going and ride on each wave to keep interest going for another week/month. I used to call fs2020 a new stuff simulator because that’s the vibe in got about it. Something broken?, never mind look here’s some new stuff. In the 707s case the new stuff was fs2024.
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This is true and I don’t want to do diservice to the devs that have been exemplary. Unfortunately, I do have to look at the up and down as part of the track record for which I speak. The inconsistency is off-putting and makes it difficult to know what you might end up with when purchasing one of these aircraft. Sure, we have slowly learned which devs can be trusted, but there should be a consistent standard of quality and excellence that we can rely upon.
Absolutely!
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I think we can see now that Microsoft was overly ambitious about backwards compatibility in 2024. They did manage to make most things work which is really the bare minimum.
The idea that all the 2020 aircraft would be better in 2024 is not really the case. The flight model of most things benefits from the new sim.
I fully support how Asobo improved a lot of systems to be more capable which can solve many of the deficiencies of 2020 and enable more advanced features. But the transition is steep and developers can’t push all their older projects up that hill.
MSFS has been able to reuse a lot of older projects probably better than any other sim but now it’s harder than ever to keep porting these over as well.
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When it comes to the Local Legends and Famous Flyers Jorg explained that the dev teams who worked on these projects are no longer around. So some will likely never get updated. Im hopeing that inibuilds can at least fix the Skyvan.
Theres also a number of items in the Marketplace where the devs havent been active for years and likely will never get updated. Sim-Wings, Binersim?
They probably knew this or at least had to take it into account when Marketing invented the Aviator Edition.
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If that’s the standard to expect and the excuse to keep aircraft broken for months, that means to me that purchasing Local Legends / Famous Flyers is a no go in the future. I might just as well light the money on fire.
Thats definetly something to think about. Luckily those aircraft werent that expensive.
The kicker is that Jörg alway kept saying that they did the Local Legens / Famous Flyers to preserve these aircraft digitally. Well … that didn’t last long. Not just a joke, but an insult.
Looking at it differently it might open doors for other devs to make those legends how they deserve to be made.
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Indeed.
Though it can’t be excluded that he was referring to the 3d models only. On multiple occasions he mentioned that some of them (C-46, B-307) were a success. However he never mentioned the criteria of “success”.
So if that is the benchmark, I would not hold my breath either for updates or for better quality future FF/LL.
Keep in mind the Deluxe has one of the best aircraft! The Albatross. I’m 100% with you on the Aviator edition though. They should be ashamed of themselves. It was brought up in one of the last dev streams and Jorg basically just said they’d be looked at at some point, but I got the idea - not soon.
Yep. They’re certainly not all bad.
That depends. If they’re aircraft you don’t care about, that’s the same as 0. They are trying to hit all audiences.
That’s an excuse and partially nonsense. I’m sure it’s true with some, but the aircraft I care about are AH and Ini. They’re still around.
To be clear/fair, Jorg never said they were ALL not around - only that some aren’t even around. That said, even aircraft that still have their original developers around may still get contracted to another development team for future fixes. It’s doubtful the original contract for these aircraft included support in future simulators, and if the devs who did the original work don’t want to accept a new contract for those updates MS can’t force them to, so they have to shop around for others to do it.
Which can be bought separately, which I’d expect to be the way forward with MSFS releases in the future.
The Albatross (so excellent!) and the Seastar are all I have installed from all the aircraft available throughout my Aviator’s Edition version of the sim. That is truly sad and ridiculous, at the same time.
Like I said, I’m not doing that again.