Yes I agree, Its pretty great and accurate enough to practice cockpit drills, well worth the money
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Real life flyer of the Warrior 2ā¦ Yes, I have said that for awhile it is overpowered in the climb. The cruise performance is pretty spot on. I have never in real life been able to climb 1000 FPM or more. The crosswind issue is there in most airplanes, thats a sim issue. Sometimes on takeoff in a light crosswind you cannot keep the airplane straight.
Yes, the fuel pressure gauge should stay up, but it does not!
Also, a visual issue? Warrior 2s did not have a bench seat in the rear 
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I climb at 1000 fpm from a 1000ā alt runway (KASH) all the time for the first 500-700 ft of climb at least. Iāll check for real next time I fly. Granted, I fly alone with fuel at the tabs max typically. Certainly slower with a load. These are PA-28-161 Warrior IIIās Iām talking about, though we do have a couple of IIās in the club I fly with.
Just flight need to implement the New Prop + full CFD + soft body simulation for the Piper Warrior and Arrows. The Cessna 172 with these (including WBSim version) have much better flight models. The pipers when first released were very good with Just Flightās own modelling but if we want our Piper planes with much better flight modelling then Just Flight should develop all GA planes with the New Prop + Full CFD + soft body simulation. I hope at least the Tomahawk when released will have this.
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Is the general consensus of the flight model positive? I ask because an obvious thing to practice are fanstops and EFATOās but according the the sim, im pretty much Chuck Yeager (and im not) with what feels like far more time than 1000fpm estimates at best glide
Only flew a Warrior IRL once or twice but it seems pretty good overall. Definitely has the real life Warrior tendency to acquire all the glide characteristics of a house brick with full flaps deployed and no power.
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I did extensive testing of the climb performance (you can see my results on the just flight forums) as I also believed it was climbing too fast. I found that in general it was about 150ft/min better performing than it should be. Cruise performance was pretty much spot on.
The devs have acknowledged this but they have said that since the sim keeps getting updated and the flight model is inconsistent and not well documented that are not currently trying to update it until the sim settles down. Basically they donāt want to put all the work in to making it perfect again just for the next SU to break it again.
While I wish they were able to keep updating their addons each SU cycle I can understand their position and honestly I still feel like their addons are the most realistic out of all the ones I own (there are some which may be better that I havenāt purchased - I have heard good things about the Milviz Cessna for example).
If anybody was considering buying the Warrior or Arrows from Just Flight but was concerned about their realism / performance I would still strongly recommend them
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I think it is quite goodā¦ so what it may be a touch overpowered in the climb. Otherwise it flies like a Warrior.
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Agreed. Pretty much all I fly anymore is the WB 172.
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I fly the WB-SIM 172 and the Bonanza mod, the Warriorās pitch is out of control for me, and the devs are waiting for a stable SU to address it. Though I think I read this is a 10-year project by Asobo, soā¦
Yet here is an entirely different perspective in a thread about CFD on this forum :
CFD is still not complete, nor is it adequately documented (though I believe a recent SDK update has improved things slightly). There is no āneedā to implimented it other than some end usersā desire to have it just because it is the latest thing. When it is fully understood, documented and proved to be working accurately, then it may become desirable.
Regarding the PA38, it was built accurately prior to CFD becoming available. In that state, it was described by one of our testers (a serving RAF pilot) as having the best incipient spin characteristics he had seen in a sim. Adding the ten or so lines of CFD to the flight model and it wonāt stall, let alone spin despite making various adjustments to try and compensate. I donāt believe that at the moment there is any urgent need to release it so work will continue. IF there is a way to get it to stall and spin correctly with CFD, all well and good. If better results are obtained with the older method, then that is what will be released.
Edit: to save repeating myself too much, here is a post I made a week ago outlining my views on CFD as it currently stands: CFD is amazing - #60 by GrimPhoenix9349
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You should fly the WB-Sim 172. The Piper flight model is good and it was developed early on in the sim, but flying the WB Sim 172 with New Prop + full CFD + soft body simulation is at another level. Iām a Piper fan and have many hours in most single-engine GA models and less time in the Cessna 172. The first time I flew the WB-Sim 172 I was amazed at how ārealā it flew to how a single-engine GA flies. Itās been hard to fly the Pipers since then, even though I prefer them over Cessna. I admit that I havenāt tested stalls and spins, but then again I try not to get myself in that envelope in the first place. I am a big Just Flight fan.
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A comment further up (down?) got me thinking, Im not a small chap and regularly fly with a friend/safety pilot/FI who is also blessed with an ample frame, fuelled to tabs we are on the edge of the W&B envelope, I have never changed this setting in the sim so that will be sure to make a difference. Also when doing any forced landing drills, the prop is always rotating unlike the sim where I just chop the engine. Both those things combined with the age of the fleet of warriors I fly regularly may well be the cause. As it looks as though there will be no flying IRL this weekend I will do some experimentation.
Yeah, I flew at the very edge of W&B the other day (4 people on board and fuel to tabs)ā¦ performance was decidedly NOT at 1000 fpm on climb, lol 
(Yes, I was still in the envelope, but, at the very edgeā¦ a little scary for me, Iād never flown that close to the edge of W&B in a Warrior before. I didnāt notice any control issues (still in the middle of range), just sluggish)
There is a margin there but if your take-off is delayed you really need to watch for density altitude changes as the day warm ups.
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crikey, a family of dwarves? If my flying buddy and I want to fly with full fuel, we have to take the covers out of the baggage hold to remain legal! (We have to do an electronic W&B to release the plane at the rental office)
Thankfully DA is rarely an issue in the UK
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I weigh about 180 lbs, my other passengers, a friend and a couple of young teenagers, weighed between 100 and 140.
It was a beautiful fall dayā¦
A little fuel burn and allās goodā¦
Bear in mind body CfD is currently simulating a tube, which is ok if youāre flying a tubeliner but quite possibly detrimental for anything else.
All the JF PA28s can get in a really bizarre āflat-spin-on-itās-sideā where the pitch axis is almost vertical and itās spinning around that, like itās in a flat spin but 90 degrees off thatās the only real oddity I found, and given you have to really work to spin one, not really bothered. If youāre testing climb rates remember to do it out at sea so thereās no thermals interfering.
4 guys lost their lives (in a Warrior), around my local aero club at the time, due to this exact issue. This was a number of years ago.
They knew they were close to limits and elected to go ahead anyway.
Very sad.
Close to (but within limits) is fine. Outside the envelope is not fine.
I remember the first time I flew a Warrior with 4 people on board (probably 50kg less than MTOW) I was a little nervous since until then it had only ever been my instructor and I (probably usually 200kg under MTOW) but I did my weight and balance and takeoff and landing performance calculations and the plane performed just as it was supposed to.
Unfortunately (and tragically) some people choose to fly overweight or with CG out of limits (or just neglect to do a W&B calculation) and sometimes that ends badly but as long as you are within limits you should be safe
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