Just Flight Piper PA-28-161 Warrior II

There’s something not right with the Warrior panel. It’s the way in which it reacts/responds to light. In some lighting conditions it appears washed out, lacking in lustre and colour depth. I find it off-putting, as if a photograph had been taken over exposed. Best way to show it is to compare the JF Warrior (top image) with JF Arrow III (bottom image). Same location, same time, same lighting, etc. All I did was change aircraft. Even used developer mode to make sure nothing else changed. Notice how even the shadow area under the leather is lighter in the Warrior, even though no direct light is on it. In contrast the same area on the Arrow is darker, as it should be.

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I really wish the wheel fairings would be part of state saving. Not a huge deal, but it would be nice to not worry about that every time I load a flight.

Only in real life for aircraft with dual controls and a central throttle quadrant.

Sure that may be most of them, but some ( Jabiru for example) are the other way.

Every ultralight I flew (IRL) was set up as you say (Throttle left, and joystick in right hand). Tandem aircraft such as Piper Cub, Chipmunk, and Harvard were the same. But side by side often uses the opposite, Cessna 150, 152, 170, 172 was the opposite.

An interesting aircraft I trained on in my late teens was the Robin HR200. It was side-by-side, but It had a joystick instead of a yoke, and then a throttle to both my right and left. I had the choice as to how I preferred to fly that one. In the case of this discussion, the poster was asking about using the Warrior for training, hence my suggestion as it pertained to him.

You are correct in reminding us that different FS controls might be more appropriate to different aircraft.

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Yes, 95 GS no wind is slow. You didn’t state that in your first post.

I just flew tonight for real, the Warriors I fly I’m definitely at 2000 downwind, down to 1700 on base and into final. There’s about 5 different Warriors (II and III) I fly, and they are all pretty much the same. Granted tonight I had a headwind of 13 - 11 knots. But, still, that’s still pretty normal setup for me. Are you sure your engine is stock? (Just asking). Maybe your descent is quite steep compared to the pattern I fly? I’d fall out of the sky at 1500 in these planes.

I get about 1000 fpm off the runway, but that reduces to about 750 soon enough. I can’t remember what altitude it transitions to 500 fpm, but what @Hayray79 said sounds about right.

Don’t think there is an axis for carb heat. Its either off or on in the sim. I use a button to turn mine off and on.

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Awesome, thanks for the info. I’ll find out the engine info. I won’t fly in RL for another three weeks, but the next time I’ll fly I’ll carefully compare the numbers between sim and RL:)

Most of the info I can find online gives a cruise speed of 115-120 knots at 75% power and 4000ft, leaned for max power. I can achieve 100 knots TAS in the sim. That’s not too far off from the numbers you gave earlier (103-104 knots). Next time I’ll fly in RL I check what I can achieve, have to admit don’t remember those atm…

I’ll now try fly a pattern with your RPM settings in the sim (1700 RPM)

115 - 120 knots sounds more like a Cherokee 180. I used to get 120 in my old '73 Cherokee (Challenger). I’d never even come close to that in these Warriors. Even the Cherokee I kept it around 1750 base to final.

When you said 95 knots, that’s usually about what I see in the Warrior indicated… sigh. I do get happier when I calculate the True Airspeed :slight_smile: A bit, anyway.

I can’t wait to buy my own plane again.

Edit: It occurred to me, 115 - 120 MPH would be about right for a Warrior.

Also the Warrior II (PA28-161) had 10 more HP over the Warrior I (PA28-151) . However the late Warrior III (PA-28-181) eventually renamed Archer has another 20 HP again.

The Warrior II will be a good approximation of a 160 HP Warrior III but the O-320-D3G Lycoming in the 180 HP variant of the Warrior III will definitely give the PA28-181 better climb and a higher cruise than the early Warrior III or Warrior II .

Note that POH figures are optimistic even for a new engine and training aircraft are rarely new engines. Wheel fairings (usually removed in training aircraft) will also make some difference.

In the end the old maxim that no two aircraft, even of the same type and model, are ever the same needs to be applied.

The Warrior III only has a 160 HP engine.

The PA-28-181 is the Archer.

OK .. my bad … in which case the Warrior II should be a good approximation of the III .

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In a Warrior that’s something I’ve never seen IRL… maybe an Archer?

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The big difference between the II and the III is the panel. The III is this flat, white monstrosity. Like what is in the Carenado Seminole.

Interestingly a quick search revealed no details of a 180 HP Warrior III except for someone claiming to be selling one …

https://www.globalair.com/aircraft-for-sale/Specifications?specid=703

No idea. Maybe an upgraded III with an archer engine they mislabelled ? Who knows.

Mislabeled. Never trust an airplane sales description.

Or… the engine was upgraded. No Warrior was sold stock with a 180 HP engine. But I imagine it’s possible they upgraded the engine at some point. I don’t know if the structure of a III is different than an Archer (except maybe shorter fuselage?).

The wheel fairings!!! I put those on and now the aircraft performance is MUCH, MUCH closer to what I remember from real life. Now I’m a much happier camper. Thank you. Now from a quick spin the sim matches my expectations from real life much better! I wonder if Just Flight overdid the drag penalty of removing them (my real life aircraft doesn’t have them…)

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Nope, none of the Warriors I have flown have ever had pants, and they all have the performance you suggested. I have yet to start up the JF one. Just got back from my flight a little while ago, and having a beer and building a new computer.

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:beers:

Always a good combo! Keeps ya steady when installing RAM. :wink:

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C-GOCH is based at CZBA (Burlington Airpark) Ontario, Canada. She is a Warrior with a 180hp engine, and constant speed prop. Back in 1994 I logged about 36hrs in her. Great aircraft, and there are likely few Warriors thus equipped.

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