If anyone is getting latencies below 60 when running the Q3 in Virtual Desktop? I think I have tried everything to get this VD latency down. I can only get it when setting DLSS Ultra Performance which sucks. I have tried upscaling using OTT to try and get the TAA clarity as described above but it still looks ■■■■■■.
I even bought the Link and tried the VR Simguys setting and it was worse than VD. Maybe I am setting my expectations too high. I have the perfect setup with top end gear and just can’t get it perfectly smooth. Perhaps it’s not possible.
Don’t get too hung up on latency numbers. It’s quite common to see 65-75ms, but because flight sims are pretty slow moving this isn’t a problem. The key is to concentrate on getting things to run as smooth and stutter-free as possible. Really up to you to find what setting work best for your PC specs imho. Maybe start off with fairly simple PCVR games to begin with to learn what settings effect what.
One tip I will tell you is that if you are getting worse results with a Link cable than with VD then you either have a bad link cable (or usb3 port) or your settings are out of wack.
If you expect everything in PCVR to be plug-and-play, or rely soley on YT vids, you’re in for a lot of pain, lol!
Agree. Even I could get sharper image with 250 bitrate than 500. I referred the linked article says “ Facebook engineers say there are diminishing returns after 250 Mbps, but I’m particularly sensitive to compression and could see a difference up to around 350 Mbps. The maximum is 500 Mbps, but going beyond 250 is discouraged.”
Ya, I tried his max number = 960mbps with both my QPro and Q3 and not only did I not notice any significant improvement, I started to get a lot of audio stuttering. I found that anything above 700 started to cause this. Ended up at 650mbps and I think that worked best for me. Actually, not that big an improvement over 500mbps, for me anyway.
I already have my Q3 and I don’t regret I bought it. Clarity and sharpness are much much better than in Q2.
I have the same settings as for Q2 (link cable, 72Hz, render resolution in Oculus app set to maximum/native, encode bitrate 300 in ODT) with my RTX3080 and don’t see any performance drop. However sometimes I must restart Q3 because MSFS stutters a lot just after starting VR session, but I had the same “issue” with Q2. Still getting 0xc0000005 crash from time to time but (after reading some posts) I suppose it’s MSFS issue.
Hope you try 250mbps. It’s the best for me. Even better than higher values.
Difference is more distinguishable with long distance sceneries than close objects.
You make some good points, not even going to try to argue, haha. Just bought a WiFi 6e router and that’s opened up even more possibilities - I know it appears you are against VD streaming but it’s working well in on an uncongested AX network, getting a rock solid 2200-2400 Mbps, just need to work out the best way to fill it.
Had a try of the 940 bitrate earlier and using the 1.0x resolution and 72Hz in the Oculus app - using OXRTools to override the resolution, Turbo on and colour adaptations - I use cable, DLSS Quality and I’m massively impressed with the clarity of the Q3 compared to my Q2.
Need to try different bitrates now, see if there’s a sweet spot…
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Ya, I tried 250mbps with link but this doesn’t look good, to me anyway. That article you linked to (no pun intended) is 3 years old so kinda out of date. I’ve found 300mbps looks ok and 400mbps is pretty close to what I get wirelessly with Air Link using 200mbps dynamic bitrate plus 5mbps dynamic bitrate offset (ODT). Again, I don’t see a lot of improvement with msfs above 500mbps using link.
Just to be clear mate, I’m NOT against VD in any way, shape, or form. I think VD is still a very good wireless option. I’ve used it off and on for over 4 years and I’m still very glad to have it as a backup to Air Link.
What I AM against is people who say that either wireless system (Air Link or VD) is significantly better than the other. Especially when these comments come from people who don’t know how to properly setup each wireless system. I’m as critical with people overselling Air Link as well btw.
I’m also critical of people who say that they get much better results wirelessly (AL or VD) compared to using a usb3 Link cable. Again, that just comes down to hardware and/or setup issues imho.
Properly setup, both wireless systems work very well and I think that many, including myself, will find the freedom of wireless PCVR outweighs the slight increase in latency and, in some cases, the clarity of distant objects and/or when they pop in.
I have always stated, AL vs VD is a personal preference thing. Everything VR is soooo subjective, so in the end, it’ll always come down to whatever works best for you imho. I hope this clarifies things a bit better mate. Cheers.
Good to know you have tried 250mbps. I understand there are many involving variables and even identically same settings could bring different results through each individual system.
I think the linked article is still somewhat valid or at least meaningful. Considering the maximum bitrate number allowed for direct input by ODT is 500, it’s quite suspicious whether more than that number squeezed into through OTT really works. I guess still the maximum supported bitrate is 500 and that’s why you couldn’t see any difference over that number.
My case, I had used 500 mbps for a long time and been satisfied by its smoothly rendered image outcome. When I tried 250 mbps, I felt the surface texture of close objects and sceneries get very slightly coarser but overall sharpness increases. Sharper image was distinctly noticeable with distant objects like mountains over the horizon. This sharpness is the reason why I prefer 250 mbps to the other options but, as you said, VR experience is very subjective and I don’t want to insist my preference any further.
Just my recollection back then but I think this limit was more to do with the Q1’s less powerful chip. Plus, maybe together with less powerful nvidia rtx3000/4000 series gpu’s at the time. Also, at that time is was a little more common for users to run the Link cable over usb2. In any case, please use whatever works best for you mate and cheers.
Best quality of visuals will be always with USB 3 link cable. I remember someone from Meta clearly stated that max 500mbps can be used in ODT. Above that would give you 500mbps basically. I guess seeing any improvement over that is just a placebo. Even it’s hard to see any difference between 300 and 500 with the link cable.
this evening, again two flights which I did so many times before with the G2… no no no, at least with the powerful HW (4090 & 7800x3d - cannot judge if it is different with other HW) I’d never look back to my G2.
Solid 40fps with high to ultra settings, LOD 200&155 and settings mentioned above.. a dream. A dream because absolutely no stutters, stable from start till landing and clarity I never experienced before. I was already happy upgrading to my new GPU and CPU… was enjoying the new experience with the G2 but now I’m feeling like in heaven probably that I’m so much in love with not seeking for the sweet spot any more and adjusting the headset.
General question to everyone using a quest 3:
How is clarity/sharpness of terrain (especially far away) compared to quest 2? Is it better once you dialed in all settings.Or is it still this blurry mess like with the quest2. Euro truck sim for example is sharp as hell in vr on quest 2…
Once i got my settings dialed in the scenery feels much clearer than on my old Quest 2.
The fact that I don’t have to worry so much about a sweet spot anymore is also very helpful with it as I can also see the surrounding scenery.
Just bought a WiFi 6e router and that’s opened up even more possibilities - I know it appears you are against VD streaming but it’s working well in on an uncongested AX network, getting a rock solid 2200-2400 Mbps, just need to work out the best way to fill it. 
probably that I’m so much in love with not seeking for the sweet spot any more and adjusting the headset.