The thing is that i can’t understand why we needed more sudden switches in weather if those METARs not make the weather more accurate to real weather because it lacks much data? Maybe the simple visibility layer makes it a bit more accurate at the airport but that fog is unrealistic. It’s like a poi marker. When i see that i know there is an airport in the center of it. Those sudden changes of weather and bubbles around airports make the weather feel more like in cartoons not like weather IRL.
But i understand that weather in flight sims to be realistic it needs to be accurate to METAR then how it feels doesn’t matter.
You’re not entirely correct and LOL is condescending. METAR which is written by a machine has AUTO in it, otherwise it’s human observers. Instruments like ceilometers and visibility sensors assist, but a person decides what goes into the METAR.
Then compare that with all of the layers they had right before they released su7 video from 10 march 2021
They have removed much to get the METAR integrated.
The more varied weather before su7 i can 100% confirm. Then if it’s the METAR that causes this issue i can’t confirm 100%. Only Asobo knows what they have changed in su7.
I missing clouds that interacted with terrain above mountains for example, i miss the dynamic formed fog, i miss those formed together clouds thats not feels like puffs everywhere.
And i also liked that the weather didn’t suddenly change from one state into another.
Feels sad that i after su7 wanted the weather to be reverted instead of improved. But thats what i want because i can’t see the post su7 weather be better than what we had.
performance reasons im sure. the color banding from su5 was fixed in su7 but to restore balance they removed much of the varied weather. improved accuracy was a scapegoat.
That’s not entirely true. Before I became a meteorologist I was an observer and I was doing exactly what you think doesn’t happen.
An automated weather system spits out a half-baked METAR report and my job was to correct it so it would fit to the real-time observed weather as much as it could. That means correcting the visibility, cloud coverage, significant weather conditions, cloud types (TCu, Cb), past weather etc. We also input TREND forecast into the METAR to give anyone who listens to the ATIS a brief idea of what’s about to happen in the next 2 hours. That’s my job now, apart from creating other forecasts and discussing the weather as a whole directly with anyone who wants.
I have to say that the images @CharlieFox00 posted look good indeed. I do however have to add that the experience with METARs and weather and its accuracy and beliavebility changes rapidly depending on where and when you fly.
Although the images look great, I still think the weather before SU7 was more believable. Not more accurate, but it definitely looked more like real-life observations.
I remember before this sim got released 2020 and they showed the Meteoblue video about the weather. They told us the weather would look almost like real and would be observable like the real weather. I bet those of us that actually observed the weather and noticed the advanced weather system back then knows what we are missing since su7.
Sorry, but this is largely incorrect. Many METARs are produced with the help of trained meteorological observers. Obviously these rely heavily on data inputs, but are often corrected to more accurately represent the present weather.
There’s a reason why one of the remark fields in a METAR is “AUTO”, as it identifies when the report is solely based on automated instrumentation.
Is a METAR reported to be able to recreate that type of weather in full detail using volumetric clouds? Is that the purpose of a METAR?
I think a forecast model is much more suitable and has the purpose of create weather visually because it’s actually is a simulation of weather. The data they used for the simulation were messured maybe 12 hours ago but those that were used to create a simulation of weather that bevhaves like weather over time without disturbances of messurements that didn’t have the purpose of be shown as weather.
Well, we strive for different experiences. Some strive to have the weather fixed as METAR says and som strive to have fluid and dynamic weather experience without the need to have it fixed as the most recent METAR says.
METARS are simply snapshots of weather at the time they’re produced. They immediately begin to become outdated until they’re refreshed roughly every 60 minutes or however often required due to ‘drastic’ changes. This goes back to what I said before where METARS are slideshows of the weather whereas MB or forecasted weather is like a movie. So either we want to have 24 slides every hour or a nice full 6-8-12 hours of constant consistently evolving weather. I want to watch a movie, not a slideshow. Just like how I can look out my window for hours and watch the weather change and evolve and not expect it to ‘snap’ into what it should be.
Slideshow aka METARS. Which is the exact same method that has been used since back in FS2004. Forecasted weather which was new and provided 6-8 hours of solid data is the movie. So again, 24 METAR updates per day as in slideshow. Or 6-8 hours of solid weather and then a ‘slight’ update 3 times a day. I like the sound of something that has time to grow and develop and play out instead of being interrupted and needing to changing and begin all over again every 60 minutes or whenever an update occurs.
Feels like flight simulators are only supposed to be enjoyable by VATSIM-users. We that not uses VATSIM should follow what VATSIM users want? Well, i have come to the conclusion that flight sim community is really conservative. Nothing wrong about that though. I just would like to have my superior weather system back again that i bought.
No lightning no CB clouds. In fact there was a tornado warning a short while ago. @Hester40MT is it possible we can just get some assurance from Asobo that they are working on all these bugs and that we may someday see the glorious cloudscapes from before SU7? I don’t think that is too much to ask and I think most here would be satisfied just knowing they are working on it. There is just such a lack of communication about weather from the dev’s that makes it frustrating. Nothing is ever mentioned in the Q&A’s and all these items just sit as bug logged. Jorge mentioned a long time ago they were working on stuff for weather that would “blow us away” yet nothing has ever come of that
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Ever since su7 were released with the visuals aspects from those METAR i have noticed the quality of the visuals in weather (both locally near airports with METAR and globally) were reduced to be able to have a bit more accurate weather near airports with METAR. For me that change were far from worth it. I know this is subjective. Those who actually want the weather to be as METAR says wants the METAR to disturb the Meteoblue data and i bet those users enjoy the sim more now than before su7. But for us that doesn’t need the weather to be as METAR says all the time enjoys the sim much less after su7. The community knows that the weather model has changed since su7 and i bet Asobo knows the weather model has changed since su7 too. They even explained it for us. That means the weather model as a whole is the issue for us that has been voted on this thread. It’s hard to pinpoint one specific issue because it’s a completely different weather model that works completely different than previous model. Either we like it or not. My suggestion is to add an option to be able to use the old weather model that we here that voting on this topic found much better than this new model to make us enjoy the sim equally much as those that wanted the METAR to disturb the Meteoblue model. Sometimes even those that wanted the METAR to disturb wants to feel the fluidness/variedness of weather the older weather model gave us. I can’t see it happening that they will make both sides happy at the same with only one weather model as they said soon 2 years ago after su7 were released. I feel it’s 2 different opinions that conficts. Thanx
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EKCH: The in-sim weather is accurate only insofar as there are clouds roughly where the METAR report puts them, although the lower layer isn’t FEW and the upper layer isn’t BKN. But the major issue is that it’s cauliflower puffs as ever, although we know from before SU5/SU7 that such cloudscapes as in the webcam shot are possible, even with Live weather.
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Ever since the Metar implemention in SU7, whenever I use live weather (something I used 100% of the time pre SU7 and only 10% of my time post SU7, generally just to check if things have improved or not) I encounter one or more of the following: reduction in variety of clouds, ‘sameness’ of clouds, weather bubbles around airports, harsh transitions that result in entire cloudscapes blinking in and out of existence, less frequently the colour of the sky flickering in an instant from one filter to another, most noticeable at twilight or at night. And resident otherworldly ‘clouds’ over Dublin. I encountered none of these issues pre SU7, where I found live weather to be excellent, something that made me happy to recommend MSFS to friends. Ideally I would love to see an option introduced to allow users choose between legacy pre SU7 live weather or continue with SU7 Metar integration.
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This sim can look SO beautiful with the way the lighting engine changes based on high level clouds. I created a overcast layer around 25000 feet and a few clouds layer around 3000 feet. I so miss the days we would get this kind of depiction in Live weather. Breaking our BELOW layers. Oh how I wish we would get an update purely on weather and cloud depiction. We need some randomness! and high level overcast!
