It really bothers me that hundreds of thousands of people while downloading SU5 are wasting all that energy.
I measure power consumption, and my SU5 update that was extremely slow, wasted 7kWh of power. Plus air conditioning for all that heat in room that my rtx3080 generates. Its insane!
I don’t understand why GPU is at 100% in user interface while downloading. Ok, I know that you can limit FPS, but not all people will do that. I also forgot.
Globally all GPU-s that are working full power for hours while updating, with no use, during this last 2-3 update days are wasting energy. To be over dramatic… How many nuclear power plants are needed for SU5?
Admittedly my biggest objection isn’t power consumption, as much as being locked out of all those system resources, but I agree power consumption is a problem.
That is just what I raised a ticket to Asobo about earlier today.
It feels wrong for an installer to use 95% of GPU resources on my GTX1080TI, when the sim itself barely ever uses that much for such a prolonged period of time. Perhaps some poor, or rather lack of, optimisation there. An installer with close to zero graphical rendering should not be taxing the GPU to this level at all.
Right. So the individual has no responsibility to take actions available to them to reduce their own impact on the environment? They should just sit around doing nothing until the corporations fix things for them?
It’s that kind of attitude which means we’re ultimately going to fail miserably to save our planet. We all have a responsibility to do what we can, and passing the buck ultimately helps no-one and nothing.
Yet another thread that will not be found by the next one wanting to report the issue.
“Microsoft power consumption irresponsibility”
“Asobo is melting the planet”
Can’t you just pick a thread title that is descriptive of the content (e.g. “Unlimited fps in Menu/Updater consuming too much power”), so that people looking for existing threads actually are able to find them?
But, hint: there is already an 8 months old(!) thread on this, to be found using the search function where you can discuss and vote this:
Ofcourse individuals has reasonability. I limit my fps for updates, but sometimes I forget. But we are talking about Big numbers. Its a Human element that should not be there. How many people will apply workaround before update? not much.
You can influence very small number.
I agree 100% with you. but we must be realistic, one software fix eliminates this issue. Cant relay on individual responsibility. We see the results on our planet.
Soooooo “enviromental” people now want more energie consuming servers / data centers …. So THEY can download the game faster to play on THEIR energie slurping PC’s ???
Or
YOU as a consumer (and enviromental friendly person) could just wait one or 2 days to update …. So when the hype is over … u download in 1 hour … and save the planet ….
Best enviromental solution …. Less people on the world ….
( but hey … lets ignore and pretent an electric car will save us all )
I don’t believe I said anything in defence of MS or any other corporation. I merely said that a corporation failing to take action on something does not absolve others of their responsibility to do what they can on their end.
I mean, you could say that retailers are not being stopped from putting excessive, unnecessary packaging on their products. Does that mean we shouldn’t bother disposing of that packaging responsibly by recycling, and should just dump it all in general waste? Of course not.
Yes, that’s 100% absolutely true. This is definitely an issue which needs to be addressed by MS. But in the meantime we can still try and spread the word on what we can do as individuals to help. Even if only 5% of FS players actually do it, that’s still a positive impact albeit a small one. Every little helps.
Except that argument doesn’t work, because even if you have the “minimum” network speed of 5mbps, you can still spend a couple of days downloading and installing the simulator at which point your PC is working far harder than it should, thus consuming more power and reducing the usability of your PC.
Arguably this is Asobo’s fault for poor optimisation, limitations. this is Asobo’s fault for poor optimisation, limitations.
Also really ironic given five US states including Washington are starting to impose restrictions on PCs that consume high amounts of electricity, due to “environmental” concerns. I’m not sure I really buy that as the real reason for those restrictions, but ironic non the less.
Edit: One final thought - Some of this would be solved by re-writing the way we download and install updates, potentially even using an MMO style launcher for the sim. Whether they manage downloads exclusively inside of the sim or not a re-write needs to happen anyway because the download system is screwed for people.
Now I’m not saying it will work for every card but I minimised to the taskbar and when I checked HWMonitor my gpu’s render output was zero and gpu tempratures a very normal 41°C. … Of course it’s possible there’s a setting in NVCP, Windows or even my Bios that I hadn’t disabled but I really don’t think so and it worked for at least some others too.
Also really ironic given five US states including Washington are starting to impose restrictions on PCs that consume high amounts of electricity, due to “environmental” concerns. I’m not sure I really buy that as the real reason for those restrictions, but ironic non the less.
I read the original article on The Register, and I find really hard to believe it was done for environmental reasons.
According to The Register, PC manufactured after July 1st 2021 should not consume more than 75 Kw per YEAR, which equals a recharge of a Tesla, which usually last about 3-4 days, and even less if you do longer trips.
Does it mean they are going to ban EVs due to “environmental concerns”, after spending taxpayers money to subside them ?
I read a few articles on it yesterday, one of which sighted “environmental concerns”. I’m kind of calling bull ■■■■ on that one, mainly because the bigger issue would be things like crypto mining. Honestly, I suspect if anything it’s probably more about reducing load on the power grid during high-usage seasons like hot summer days, or cold winters. But who knows
There are millions of players logging hundreds or thousands of hours of play time each in this flight sim, CPU’s and GPU’s cranking along rendering the virtual world. Any single update is a drop in the bucket.
If you want to be environmentally responsible, go play Flight Sim for MS-DOS.
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