Yes, and I always cringe when someone says someone or they “speak the truth”. It is not “speak the truth” it is “give my opinion”. Many people here and on youtube do not speak for me so they are not my “truth”.
BruceAir says “offer my first impressions” with some background. So while I won’t bother watching it it starts off well. I have enough sim, real flying and programming experience over the last 35 years to form my own opinion without help.
TL;DR; This is a general rant. Sorry. Feel free to ignore.
It is like when someone says “I’ll give an honest review” or “here is my honest opinion”. If they are dishonest then their “honesty” means nothing and I do not know them (even if they are a well known celebrity, I do not know them, I know their image). And again, their “honesty” is opinion. And if they need to point out that they message is honest does that mean it is not honest if they don’t say it is honest? Like “I’m switching to honest mode when I tell you this”?
Words that are increasingly abused:
Fact,
Honesty
Truth
Science
Evidence
Of course, these days we have “influencers”. As even their names says, their job is to influence us, not necessarily to inform or educate and many times it is proved they are paid to do it (duh). Some admit it openly others don’t. But they are some of the most popular people on the planet. I don’t get it.
In an age where trolls are rampant, reviews are often generated by robots or cheap labour, and people know that generating some friction in a story is the best way to get people to listen to them (attract views and therefore $$$), etc, you need to be careful. Especially if you have no significant expertise in the field yourself.
Logic tells hopefully all of us that (in decimal) 1 + 1 = 2. Does that mean we know how to solve quadratic equations? Not necessarily. So understanding a little doesn’t mean we understand a lot, sometimes we have to remind ourselves of that is true for others just as it is true for us and look at information accordingly.
Final thought. There are always multiple points of view. They are, I think, always valid for that person in their situation. Trying to understand those other points of view without conceit is what we should all strive for.
I think this community is a hard place to actually talk about making the sim better. I did a post too and got hammered by people calling me a hater. I honestly want this sim to be the best, it really has a LOT of awesome potential! As soon as you suggest a fix or problems though, people call you a “hater”, I’m just waiting for the replies to this post as proof XD lol
I knew someone would say that and I do it.
But the game has in-game flight planning that is incomplete and poorly executed. (in my opinion) Others might be fine with it as is but for me it should include all aspects of flight planning within reason. Also the pilot logbook is incomplete and has no ability for user comment or correction when the game fails to accurately log events. Again if it’s in the game it should be complete within reason.
Picky? yes, but trying to deal with what I have to work with.
I have been “hated” for decades, but I know my intentions (“agenda” as they call it) are only excellent for this industry. Don’t let opposition stifle you, keep on topic, know your facts are true, and let them do the personal attacks. Flag the posts that need a moderator’s attention, and move on.
If they are willing to debate point by point then a miracle has occurred.
All this community requires is for the MSFS team to do what it said it would do. If calling them out on this is labeled an agenda or hate speech or trolling, let them call it what they want, who cares. Just ask them to debate the facts, and watch them slip away…every time.
The MSFS team want’s feedback, and they are gracious enough to receive the good and the bad, I applaud them for this. Some in this community need to learn from the MSFS team.
Would you say that all the MSFS Feature Presentations contain truth or lies?
By not reading the rest of the article, what qualifies you to comment on the article?
Understanding what’s important is key. Some very intelligent people have no idea how to drive a car safely. What good is their intelligence if they die in a car accident? They think they need to calculate the how many degrees to steer the wheel to avoid a crash and end up dead. Understanding a little in this case is better.
Since you go the philosophical route - I will never even try to understand one who murders children or other forms of pure evil, you can try, but It will do you no good at all ever…strive away.
Between this thread and a similar thread at avsim, that BruceAir diatribe has hit a very very talkative nerve. You’d think people would just be playing the game.
IF MS Flight Sim was being released at a time when X-Plane was just starting out, I’d have sympathy for this argument. As it stands, MS Flight Sim is competing against P3D and X-Plane 11, both of which are fairly well polished at this point. I haven’t flown MS Flight Sim long enough (just a few days) to say whether it’s good or a pile of poo, but it needs to quickly achieve parity (at least) with these other sims to get a long-term fan base that will grow with it.
Sure, they can take the approach that they’re Microsoft, with some past sims under their belt, but I for one am feeling the pain of not being able to use my D/A throttle quadrant and my D/A trim wheel. Having to pan down and adjust the throttle/trim/etc kills the realism of flying for those who’ve already invested in hardware for this. I’ve been used to having this in X-Plane 11 for some time and it is hard to go back once you’re used to it. I’m also a real-world private pilot so I look for a sim that’s able to duplicate what I’m used to in the cockpit. Right now, X-Plane 11 has that, MS Flight Sim (for me) doesn’t.
So only you can produce facts and truth, I see now.
Your “fact”, not my fact. You see, I can say the same thing, and we go nowhere. And you have not been around long enough to disrespect Mr. Williams or me. You are not powerful enough to know a mans heart especially a man you don’t even know. You can’t say Mr. Williams is disingenuous, not even in stating an opinion…or, could I judge your great great grandparents on any topic? Same classification.
Mr. Williams was talking about features too, so YOU need to elaborate on what you specifically dispute about the article. But again you attack me, talking about what I think and don’t know. This tells me you are afraid of me, but there is no need to be afraid of me, I truly want what is best for all of us. You need to stick to the points of what the article says and debate the points, not attack people.
Show me a screen shot of MPTO airport in MSFS - Default FS9 had MPTO.
There was no possibility for FS9/FSX to even have light scattering or PBR - IT DID NOT EXIST.
You are defending polish/features in comparison with what we had - people who disagree with you EXPECT these new features as a given, the natural course of things, as it has always been.
So YES MSFS LOOKS GOOD - we KNOW THIS. If it did not look “2020” good it would fail before it launched, this is common sense.
So after we get past the ‘polish’, then what? Content?
Where is the MASSIVE learning center in MSFS that FSX and FS9 had? I can speak of detailed missions, helicopters, gliders, autopilots that functioned, ATC that you could at least hear, real weather that did much better ALL OVER the world. I could go on and on but you should know all of this since you have been around for so long; so long that you seem to have a free ticket to slander Mr. Williams.
Those simulators were growing in features version to version until FS2002. Then the decline began, but features were still added over pervious versions. The graphics difference between FS9 and FSX is day and night, just like FSX and MSFS is, again natural progression. But when you say a much more SOLID release, where are the seasons? The lack of seasons is not solid, it is the omission of a basic fundamental. These kind of things matter to people who care about the basic progression of features- WE cannot allow developers to take seasons out or let that even be an option. You may be able to accept the lack of seasons and IF nobody said anything, would you be completely pleased? I would not be that is why I said something. I understand the importance of how seasons affect aviation, do you? So when will seasons arrive… since you are doing comparisons; FSX day 1 - MSFS who knows?
I did not “sell” anything - I provided feedback from a reputable source to the MSFS team, and anyone else who may be interested, yet may not have been aware of this feedback. If Mr. Williams stated anything falsely I would not have called it truth. I base the “truth” on the feature presentation series videos and all the other communication we have all gotten from the MSFS development team for the last year or so.
I was 1 of a few calling for 64 bit long ago before FSX and I was hated - so if I and others who agree with me called for 64 bit, and you hate me, then you should go back to 32 bit flight sims since you are so loved by everybody. Also since I was among the first (to be hated) about my topic on seasons in MSFS, then maybe MSFS should NOT have seasons because that is a hated idea. Maybe I and others who agree with me concerning seasons should get seasons and you and all who love you should not get seasons.
You make an excellent point - they are not flying in MSFS because the honeymoon was cut short. Others are waiting for the dust to settle before even buying, others have tried the game pass route and uninstalled since then.
MSFS is being talked about much more than flown it seems - there is at times like 100 topics a minute here! And this is only 1 of many places! I think it is extremely unlikely that anybody could envy the team that is charged with reading all the feedback, such a gi-huge-ic task!
So many have seen the beauty and have seen their house, but they can’t fly a realistic IFR flight w/ realistic ATC, and real traffic, and weather that works , w/autopilots that are fully reliable in every plane, performance that is sometimes good sometimes not good, and CTD’s, some cant even install, missing airports, oh did I mention the ground airport traffic that rules the tarmac and clogs up the airports, and the co-pilot (since it is available) that does not function most of the time, and the lack…well I could go for the world record for a run on sentence, but one can read the forums themselves to get the full picture.
After a while longer everything that can be said will have been said 30 or 3000 times over, and the development team will assess all the feedback. The more that has been said about a specific the more focus - the team will concentrate on it.
My concern is that once again ‘screenshots’ will rule over all topics/feedback and we will continue on a path of stagnation in the aviation realism category…18+ years and counting!
Lol i don’t know the guy that wrote the article, but nothing he said makes sense. First of all starting with the pc specs. 2tb ssd, lots or ram and a ‘late-model graphics card’. So that says basically nothing. But okay…
And then complaining about the systems like g1000 and other things. Compared to the base fsx this is still a HUGE step up. There wasn’t even a partly working fms in fsx. And the flight planning system was exactly the same apart from the looks. And the gps was just an moving map with a garmin look.
I agree that msfs2020 lacks some basic features and that it still feel unfinished. And some of the systems are still bad or not working all the time. But the things he describes, and compares to fsx is just nonsense. Most useless review i read so far.
What is the point behind comparing FSX to FS2020 though? There is a 14 year gap between these two products so no comparison should even be attempted. Would you do this if you bought a modern PC and it was no better than a PC built 14 years ago, make the comparison to justify missing features or issues with the modern version?
Well, he’s the one making the comparison in the first place. I only say that it’s a bad comparison because the systems he mentioned are well more complicated in fs2020 then fsx. While he’s saying the opposite.
For the rest i agree. Fsx is history. Fs2020 is in ‘a not so great state’ at the moment. But still 100 times better than default fsx.
Lots of flags coming out of this conversation, so to all involved… I draw your attention to the Code of Conduct in the hope that each of you will decide to focus your remarks on MSFS and not on each other.
This post has been closed temporarily to give all of you some time to consider how you plan to pursue this discussion later. Should this post continue moving in the wrong direction when reopened, it will be closed permanently. The choice is yours.
