I would have no problem trying it, but what’s better about 2024? If I can get my favorite planes over to it, what advantage is there compared to 2020? I have no interest in career mode or missions. I usually fly with FSEconomy and Beyond ATC. Does anyone know if they are working in 2024 yet? Is it more or less demanding on hardware? Thanks.
Loading time, lighting/shadows, tree biomes, ground textures, winter masking, vertical terrain faces, walkaround mode, clouds, and it generally runs smoother for me, with zero CTDs since December.
Any negatives I’ve encountered are generally in common with 2020, but since 2020 doesn’t have career mode, they’re not exposed quite as much. Free flight is way better than 2020.
All that said, I recognize that some people have had major connectivity and hardware issues. I am fortunate to not be amongst that group. So as far as free flight goes, 2024 has been a superior experience, just waiting for the rest of my planes to be fully compatible.
I don’t understand how you find free flight better in 2024. You virtually can’t correctly load any airplane because cargo/passenger/fuel loading in the EFB simply doesn’t work. Send flight plan to avionics works for half of the planes. Fuel prediction, time, etc., is totally wrong.
A lot of airplanes have so many bugs that they are almost unusable, from the extremely overpowered Skycourier, passing through the barely usable Saab 340, to the Max, which has more things not working than things correctly working.
And several airports are simply a stutter fest (St. Barths, Yrausquin for example, where you can’t even land with a Twin Otter). And no, it isn’t the connection, and it isn’t the machine.
Add to that the issues loading textures, weather, completely off seasons (for example here in south hemisphere we’re in summer, still low mountains are completely covered in snow), and the astonishing over abundance of autogen trees… and of course, the ATC, which is a -recognized by WT- regression over 2020 ATC and will have to wait until SU2 perhaps SU3 to be acceptable.
It’s difficult for me to find free flight better in 2024 than in 2020, unless of course, you ignore everything flight related and you just want to fire up and fly around without considering any significant part of the “simulation”.
Best,
Seb
I program my own avionics, no need for the EFB.
I do my flight planning either manually (using the techniques I used in the real world), or for expediency: on SimBrief, Navigraph charts, or ForeFlight.
I haven’t used any of the buggy airplanes because they don’t appeal to me. That said, waiting for airplanes is one of the things I did mention, and I’m routinely on here helping report bugs and troubleshooting rather than taking unconstructive potshots at everything and anything.
I never use ATC in 2020 and only use it in 2024 in career mode. It’s awful in both places and I have picked it apart pretty routinely. I’d much rather use VATSIM or beyondATC.
I experience no stutters. But I also don’t fly in the southern hemisphere. I acknowledge that needs to be fixed for those that do.
But your last statement is simply laughable, especially after making some of the claims about how you purportedly fly as if it’s any more realistic or superior. I’d report it, but I’ll just let it sit. I’m sure my retort will get reported, anyway.
I’m sorry if you took that as aggressive, as I was not being aggressive. Feel free to report if you consider so, of course.
My point was that the in sim tools don’t work. As you said, you don’t use any of the buggy aircraft, you don’t use the flight planning features, you don’t use ATC. So, for you, in your case, it does work, and you’re basically disregarding all the bugged parts. In your case you do all your flight tasks outside the sim, but if you were to use the in sim tools, you would basicallly need to disregard all the flying aspects, as I said before.
Sorry if you took that aggresively, I think it’s pretty obvious it wasn’t, and by “you”, I didn’t mean you particularly, I meant everyone who actually wants to use the mentioned bugged components. Feel free to report, I’m not going to report anything.
Best as always,
Seb.
I’m not disregarding the buggy parts - I frequently report them and try to help troubleshoot. I’ve spent hundreds of volunteer hours in the world hub fixing airports that need fixing (poor airports are a particular, common gripe of mine).
However, the question I had responded to was “is anybody enjoying 2024?” I didn’t answer for everybody, I answered for me. I definitely enjoy it more for the reasons I explained. You came in hot with “I don’t understand…” based on your experience. I acknowledge that many people do not have the same enjoyment, and bugs are a big reason for that. But I don’t come here to yuck people’s yums.
I simply avoid flying in situations that routinely expose me to the more egregious bugs. And 2020 has a lot of the same, persistent bugs, anyway - at least the ones I notice and am bothered about. That doesn’t make my flying any less realistic or “ignoring everything flight related.” On the contrary, I try to be as realistic as possible on roughly half my flights (the other half devoted to virtual sightseeing).
But yes, I don’t use the in-sim tools because I’ve never fully trusted them and enjoy the “out-sim” ones, including my own charts, E6B, and NavLog much more, anyway.
Sure, it’s totally valid approach, but of course, it’s an approach that avoids significant components of the sim.
You didn’t mention any of that when you said “free flight is way better than 2020” or “So as far as free flight goes, 2024 has been a superior experience”, hence my question about how could you find it better, considering all the bugs that do impact in free flight.
Of course, with your approach, they don’t have an impact (completely valid approach, just like people who don’t use in game ATC because they fly IVAO, VATSIM, use BATC or SayIntentions, etc., so they aren’t bothered by ATC regression over 2020). Personally I think it’s better to clarify those things when doing such statements, so people understand from where one’s speaking.
And yeah, sadly bug reporting has come a part of everyday 2024 flying. And worst, I think that until SU2, probably SU3, we won’t be seeing significant imporvements.
Regarding free flight, I do think that night lighting is miles ahead of the black holes that were in 2020. I fly in real time, which is at night, so I’m looking forward to have it working. But 2024, while has potential, still needs a lot of work.
Best as always,
Seb
I get that, but it wasn’t the question. The question didn’t have a qualification like “what things still upset you about 2024 and how do you work around them?” I enumerated the things that make 2024 more enjoyable for me. The other things, the bugs and quality issues are a wash because they’re basically the same to me as the ones I learned to avoid in 2020, or I just don’t do the type of flying (to include where I fly) in which I routinely encounter them. In circumstances that go beyond that, where 2024 has introduced a bug, maybe I’ve been fortunate, but it really comes down to the “hard to prove a negative” axiom. Bottom line, there’s nothing in 2024 for the GA-style flying I do (in both sims), using the tools I use (in both sims), that makes the overall experience less enjoyable than 2020.
But if I want to get really nitty-gritty, if I wanted to let things prevent me from enjoying the game and not be able to suspend my disbelief and look past them, I could always find something. I’d have to run a disclaimer a mile long that’s basically a non-sequitur to any question that arises. And if that were the case, if I let everything be a “but…” I’d never really be able to enjoy either sim. So there’s always going to be a bit of compromise where in the moment I go “ah, Asobo’ed” and move on. But with the exception of the ubiquitous airport gripes, they’re pretty few and far between. All that with the understanding and acknowledgement that there are issues people can’t ignore, especially for the type of flying they do.
But again, that wasn’t the question - the question regarded why I enjoy 2024 more, and the answers I gave didn’t need a disclaimer because we all know everybody is different, both in how we use the sim and the perceptions/biases each person has in interpreting it, which stem from a multitude of personal differences, perhaps cultural, educational, experiential, etc.
I truly believe we both want the best for everybody, but we’re obviously not coming from the same places or moving in the same direction to achieve that, and that’ll just have to be okay.
I asked the question, and I appreciate the answers. I am also someone who does not use in-game ATC, Career mode, Flight Planning, etc. I use Simbrief, Navagaph, fseconomy, and BATC, so I don’t care if any of those features work. I only want a seamless, smooth, fast experience. Speed is the issue with 2020 as everything takes to long to load. But once loaded it’s working fine, (other than melted buildings and trees some of the time. Sounds like the only issue with 24 for me is the lack of compatibility for the few aircraft I like to fly.
And i just found my combat flight simulator 2 days ago. Lol
Oh don’t even mention that one, I still remember CFS1 flying a PZL against my father’s Spitfire, CFS2, and CFS3 which I still have installed with that never moving campaign. Loved that game. Wish MS made a CFS4 instead FS2024 which, after SU1, is pretty much still the same.
Same here for me, I found myself starting up FS2024 less frequent over time, until I started up the sim one day, then in the main menu thought, why bother, closed it and haven’t used either sim for over 2 months…
Maybe I will pick it up one day again, I spend a bit of time playing DCS, but mainly my peripherals are are attracting dust. Never pre-ordeing again, that is for sure. I’ll only throw more money towards MSobo when they show they deserved it.
I am the same, frequently put it on and then turn it off, I can’t be bothered with it at the moment. I’m also making a conscious decision to not buy anything from the marketplace any more. They don’t deserve my money right now, frankly.
Told me there was an update this morning, it updated, then promptly disabled EVERYTHING I had enabled in my 2020 folder. Not content with this, it’s also reset where my community folder is, AND deleted everything that was in the community folder. What an unmitigated piece of garbage this sim is right now. Do you really think I’m going to spend my free time downloading EVERYTHING that was in my community folder, again?
I’m done with this pathetic sim.
You should invoice Microsoft for the three or four hours you have spent to source the problems
If it makes you feel better, this is a known issue that popped up last night.
It isn’t a flight simulator, but I can do checklists on many aircraft from the real manufacturer. I can plan routes using real navigation data used in the real world and updated monthly. I can practice failures using real world non normal checklists. Graphically the whole world is represented in 3d, many areas in amazing high resolution. Weather is downloaded from the internet and represents what the weather is actually doing in the real world. Addons allow AI ATC, as well as ATC networks to fly with other players in real time across the world - all these online services have controllers using real world procedures for traffic management.
Not a simulator he says!
Things are ok when I do 6 hour flights in complex airliners with many addons running.
Several of the many things you mentioned are broken or bugged. I’m pretty sure he meant in its current state. And while it might sound harsh, it is true that in its current state the sim has several issues.
I’m glad things are ok for you. So far, this is the state for me:
- The only airliner that more or less works is the A320 v2, and it still has bugs. The 737 Max is a joke.
- I cant properly load an airplane with the EFB, only way is to use the in airplane tablet, so I depend on an airplane that has a pad
- While the EFB has a feature to send the flight plan to the FMC, it doesn’t work.
- All calculations (fuel, cargo, passengers, etc.) need to be done in SimBrief, since in-game you can’t. The EFB is basically useless.
- ATC is completely useless and it’s a regression over 2020, if I want ATC must use an ATC network (IVAO, VATSIM, whatever) or a 3rd party tool.
If you fall back everything to 3rd party tools and ignore all bugs, it might work, and for some people it does, which is great. In my case, I expect all parts of the sim to reasonably work, which isn’t the case. It’s not that “there are some bugs”, things are simply broken.
What light does it shed on Asobo that we replace each and every component with a 3rd party tool
ATC
Weather
Forests
Ships
Aircraft
Camera
Airports
Acceptable is only the WT avionics.
Dear Asobo start thinking on that please!