MSFS 2024 is broken ... Or is it?

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This is again another good example. Process is there, devs dedication is there, users dedication who participate in testing is also there. Is Asobo wrong? Clearly not. But if results are not efficient because at the end devs have to deal with a ton of requests that need further filtering then the process is not followed correctly, even if it was defined. When it was supposed to be helping to improve it turns to create more complexity than it should and extra work for Asobo.

One solution is what you propose but other is that Asobo defines how testing shall be done, instead of leaving it open to free interpretation from users, who in many cases may not be even familiar with software testing itself. So to define the test cases that shall be tested instead of saying “guys, free fly and report what you see”. We have a template for bug reporting, so one of the problems (what to report and how to report it) is already addressed.

With proper testing instructions info reaches devs in an optimal way and everyone is following a defined test cases list. Then you can compare if results are different depending on Xbox or PC, depening on the GPU or the MoBo settings/drivers, etc. Leaving it unguided (open to public without clear instructions) and like wild west helps to detect that an error is there but not why it´s happening or what exact combination of events triggers it. It still helps, for sure. It´s good for overall testing, sure. It´s also cheaper, sure. However is not 100% efficient.

Cheers

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Which is normal in a test, you get some points to look at and report on that. I dont know why that isn’t a thing here. There are lot’s of people happy to help… And yes, it takes a bit of time, but i’m sure it cuts off a lot of extra time examining all data people report or double reports that are written differently.

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I don’t think there is much point in giving advice how things should be done if you don’t actually know how they are done. Please stop assuming things and thinking you know. You don’t. You are assuming that a team that has been doing this for almost ten years has no idea, and you can just come here and tell them, “hey, this is the way to do it”?

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How are you helping to improve the conversation with this post? A user gave their advice on how to
improve testing. Your response was to tell them to shut up, because Asobo knows best and their processes can’t be questioned.

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Look at my posts please. I think I was clear enough when saying I had no doubts about Asobo qualification. I wanted to be constructive and this is what I think indeed but anyway I stressed it to prevent answers like yours.

On the other hand why shouldn´t I tell them how things could be done to improve? I have purchased their software, this is the game public forum and I simply want to do it because one of the targets of the support I receive as customer from them is to improve the product over the years.

So nobody here has to explain anything about knowledge except Asobo and Microsoft. They produce and we pay. It´s so simple. Do you want a better software quality too or do you want to pay for something mediocre? This is what you have to think before participating in discussions like this one.

Cheers

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Much like the Dreamliner, MSFS is a collaborative effort by many developers scattered across the globe. It’s not just about programming and coding but careful co-ordination in getting the pieces from each party to properly fit together. For a start, Microsoft are in the US and Asobo in France.

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I’ve seen this as well. Roku TV works fine, but internet is down. I know they’re two separate services tied to one router. Beyond that, I have no idea.

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The problem could have been the router, assuming it is located after the modem (which your carrier can reach and remote test) Maybe your router got updated or crashed.

Maybe it switched to wifi due to missing cable connection?

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With my setup both the ROKU TV and all my network connections from the router are WiFi.

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Ah okay, maybe its using the carrier’s Modem Wifi instead of the router (that had a problem) it must have connected to something, else it wouldn’t work. You might want to check for that if you are not sure where it connected to.

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I’m not having any problems, but thanks.
ISP’s can provide TV programming whilst also having a loss of internet connectivity.

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Yes, but that’s cable tv. If internet is down you wont have tv also if it uses IPTV.

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Yes…This was the odd thing. Tv and PC was ok even though the sim was struggling. I can’t remember the the Tech response. Way over my head, but he says it happens sometimes when downloading. This happened right after the update download. After the reset, all is butter again. I’m happy atm. FF 2d 4k solid 60

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More colorful runways in MSFS-2024:

It’s nice to hear from people who seem to be actually enjoying the sim.

Maybe, just maybe, 2024 isn’t as bad as people say?
:wink:

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Maybe it was the connection type?

When the system makes a network connection to “somewhere else”, the connection can be either a “regular” connection or a “persistent” connection.

“Regular” connections, (I forget the name for them), are made on an as-needed basis.

Example:  Most browser page requests and things like this post I am typing are “regular” connections.  The server doesn’t know I’m typing, it just gets the entire message, all at once, when I hit the “reply” button.  After which, it closes the connection and waits for something else to do.  When something else happens, (like editing the post as I am doing now), it opens a new session with the server and sends the edit, then closes the connection again.

A streaming video connection is an example of a persistent connection.  That connection is made once and persists until it is explicitly closed, times out, or is physically interrupted.

Even if the router, (or other parts of the network), go all pear-shaped, persistent connections usually survive them, so it’s not surprising that a Roku box will still be talking to its end-point when the rest of the network decides it’s time to go eat lunch.

I’ve seen this a number of times where my router will go sideways for some odd reason and everybody’s network connection drops. . .  Except for my wife’s streaming movie which keeps running and running and running all fat, dumb, and happy, totally oblivious to the fact that Rome is burning to the ground all around her.

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No thank you, those rapids are for seasoned professionals only!

Not to mention I’ve tried bass fishing in those waters before - you end up loosing your expensive fly-casting rod and your waders get full of water, bugs, and small fish when a particularly nasty knuckle sweeps you off your feet.

I’ve done QA, (and some small scale programming), on projects that were not trivially sized.  Things like tax-return software, (the IRS has absolutely NO sense of humor), ACH on-line payment processing, (ditto people whose payments get borked), full-bore banking and investment software, (that tosses millions of USD around like paper-airplanes), and stuff that goes into planes you’re probably flying/being flown in IRL, and I can assure you it’s not that easy.

And it’s not just a “small matter of programming” either.  No matter how skillful a programmer may be, no matter how experienced he may be, no matter how well designed and carefully planned a project may be, software development “gremlins” play with a forked-tongue and deal marked cards from the bottom of the deck.

I remember working for a company in Boston around the early 2000’s, and some of the Unix programmers there were among the best of the best.  Literally living legends with numerous O’Reilly books to their name and were the kinds of people who had Linux Trovoldes, Kernegan, and Ritchie’s cell numbers.  These are people who, literally, “wrote the book” on much of what we take for granted today.

And if the software they write, as carefully planned, documented, and crafted as they could make it turned around and bit them on the tush, the rest of us mere mortals have little to hope for.

So, let’s all just take a step back, grab a cold one, relax, and let the dev’s do what they can to do what they can.

What say ye?

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Only on its off days its terrible. But when its good its fantastic. But when its bad, its hard to play. Especially in VR

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Ain’t it the truth!

And not just MSFS.  I’ve had robot software I’ve worked on that would be working PERFECTLY - and then I’d get called to dinner.

45 minutes, (maybe an hour if I had to help load the dishwasher), I’d go back to the same system, running the same O/S, (it hadn’t even been rebooted!), doing the exact same things, and I’d try the program and it would throw exceptions all over the place.

Reboot.

More exceptions, but different ones this time.

Reboot.

Now THIS part of the program is working, but THAT piece way over THERE is loosing its lunch all over everywhere and everything.

What was a working piece of software before dinner has turned into a full-fledged cat-herding adventure!

Punt THIS!  I wanna’ cold cider, a couple of cat videos on YouTube just to calm down, and I’m going to BED!!!

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Next morning:
Exceptions?  What exceptions?  It’s working like a fine Swiss watch with no traces of any problems to be found. . .
:man_facepalming:

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Sorry, I know Nixon took the high road here, but this is not true. Few have been more constructive and balanced on both sims over the years than @NixonRedgrave. He’s not one who needs to be lectured to touch grass, full stop.

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I have no disagreement about that.

I have read most of his posts since I joined the forum when 2020 came out.

It was obvious the sim was frustrating him to the point he wasn’t getting any enjoyment out of it.

My post was out of concern for him. No one forced him to take a break.

My only regret is I should have messaged him instead of posting and I’m sorry I didn’t.