It is a default aircraft in 2024, no need to buy it.
The cyclic yaw is just stupid. I think it may be because the 407 model greatly exaggerates torque changes when the cyclic is moved. I find it unflyable. Fortunately thereâs the very nice R66 and perfectly fine H125.
Agreed
I donât mind the non-functional throttle binding, as we only need to manipulate it during startup and shutdown. Having to zoom in (lean forward with head tracking) to see the full instrument arc to verify the readings is irritating though. But like everything else in 2024, LOD problems are inherent in the sim. This default addon includes LOD issues in the cockpit though. Until Asobo gets to addressing LOD issues overall, the issue isnât too critical for how I use the addon - as I generally use eyes out visual and auditory feedback from the addon while close up sight seeing.
I fly this daily and have zero cyclic anomalies or yaw save for how the rotor affects every helicopter. Moza AB9, VKB MCG, 2024 SU3.
So when you push the cyclic forward you get zero yaw? Also, your rate of pitch change for a given cyclic input is the same as the rate of roll for an equivalent lateral cyclic input?
Because for me, forward cyclic generates significant yaw. And my lateral rate of attitude chance is much lower than my longitudinal rate of attitude change.
How would one reagrd this helicopter? I enjoyed flying it, love its look and feel but having those other helicopters in msfs24, it just seems⊠When you cant open the doors.. in⊠24 but it is still nice to fly.
What are yours guys thoughts on this helicopter?
I just bought and really like the new Taogâs Hangar OH6/500C. Then after that came back to fly the 407 - itâs a great helo IMHO compared to the rest of MSFS offerings, including a lot of the Cowan birds. Nemeth has done a good job on the flight models of all his helos, including the 407 in 24.
Pity it doesnât behave even remotely like a real B407. Which puts it squarely in the made-for-silly-games category. 
If you want anything vaguely resembling realism (ito flight dynamics) either get X-Plane or get a Taog heli for MSFS 2024.
EDIT: the R66 ainât half bad, and the Cabri was also quite good at one point. So points to Asobo for that.
LOL. That is definitely not my view of the 407 and I literally own and fly all helos with an AB9 FFB base, Virpil collective and VKB dampened pedals. Nemeth did a nice job.
@JPVann9916 I am not trying to be argumentative. It may well be that there is something amiss with my setup. Would you mind answering the questions I asked immediately below your previous post a few posts up? Thanks!
With my controls I get smooth flight as expected with the 407, good feedback including the substantial center of gravity, inertia and weight difference between it, the H145 or the Taog 500C.
It took me about 5 years to get my setup to now where I can feel the helos much better, giving me the ability to finesse and direct the forces better. So yes, IMHO oneâs personal controls also make a huge difference in how one perceives a particular aircraft, especially helicopters. So we are both correct!
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Thanks. Thatâs nice. But it doesnât answer the two questions:
There should be a yaw response to a cyclic input.
Itâs not as exaggerated of a response as it is when you make a collective adjustment, but drag is induced.
Think about why the helicopter has a yaw response in the first place. Itâs an effect of the change in engine power output to the main rotor shaft. This power change occurs whether commanded by the pilot or the governor to maintain Rotor RPM(RRPM) when the drag on the main rotor changes.
The amount of drag on the main rotor changes any time you adjust the pitch of the blades, with either the collective (all blades changing at once, so larger yaw reaction) or the cyclic (individual blades changing in cycle, so smaller yaw reaction). Either way, there is still a yaw response when you move the collective or cyclic.
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I get no direct yaw or any weird anomaly flying the 407 only the sense of the rotor pull, which is correct. If I push my AB9 FFB cyclic down with my finger it only goes down. I can feel the slight blade pull and turbulence, but that is normal for helos. Thatâs why I spent $1500 on controls.
Torque changes with cyclic input, even dramatic cyclic input, are imperceptible. There is no pedal change in any helicopter I have flown when cyclic is applied. And Iâve never heard another pilot mention it. It is totally part of the wackiness of the 407 as envisioned by Nameth.
They arenât imperceptible, but they are very slight. I havenât really every made large, abrupt moves of the cyclic in Robinsons to see the torque reaction because I have had mast bumping avoidance drilled into my brain.
In this video just cruising around my hometown, you can see how unstable the R22 is in the yaw axis.
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Yeah I fly 22s and 44s as well. And a bit of time in a few other types including a few hours of turbine. SoâŠif the MSFS 407 really is considered fine and accurate, I will refuse to ever fly in a real one.
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A cyclic change doesnât affect the total rotor drag, it just redirects the total lift vector. Drag is reduced in some parts of the disc revolution and increased in others as the lift is changed to tilt the disc and redirect the total lift vector.
There is a change in the vertical lift vector though, as the horizontal lift vector is changed. This would require a change in collective to maintain level flight and itâs this change that affects the torque.
Some (most) main rotor flight control systems are designed to automatically provide some compensation so maybe this is the effect youâre referring to.
Getting back to the default 407 in MSFS Iâve never personally experienced the yaw with cyclic phenomenon. I saw it mentioned in 2020 as well. Really not sure why some people experience it as a big issue. My nickname for MSFS is âinconsistantâ so maybe thatâs it.
I find that the 407 handles similarly to Taogâs Lama although all of his helicopters have a much more realistic feel to them.
I am beating a dead horse here. But the yaw with cyclic is so dramatic in my setup that I can only assume that it is my setup or that my version of MSFS24 comes with a default 407 that has never properly updated. For reference I use the Modern FM and no assists. I can raise to a stable hover and hold the pedal fixed at whatever position holds heading in that hover. I can then gently push the cyclic fore and aft to about 20% of throw each direction and the rate of yaw will be the equivalent of antitorque failure. There is nothing subtle whatsoever with the phenomenon and as a rather new helicopter pilot with gobs of friends flying 407s in the NYC tourist market, I know this antitorque thing is complete bs. But thatâs me. Iâve long since gotten over it. But the fact that only I experience it has me thinking that maybe I am having a stroke.
Fortunately thereâs the default R66 and Taogâs amazing OH-6 to keep me sane and happy.
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Yeah, that shouldnât be happening with that amount of control input.
It has been super frustrating for me, in the opposite way, to try and help people.
Not many people understand rotor dynamics, so I tend to jump in and defend behavior that most people donât realize happens in the real thing.
But MSFS20/24 have been so inconsistent with helicopters. Some bugs pop up and only some users experience them. The only major bug Iâve encountered so far with helicopters is the ground effect nonsense.
So from my point of view, the helicopter is behaving appropriately, but that is clearly not the case.
The lift vector/rotor drag conversation is interesting, but I disagree. If the forces in cycle were cancelling each other out completely, the disk wouldnât change in plane. If enough control force has been introduced to change the disk plane, the amount of drag will change. Every control move affects the others. It shouldnât be a drastic amount of yaw, like a larger collective input, but there will be a reaction if you donât counter it. Eventually everything clicks in your brain, and you move all of the controls in unison, and anticipation of whatâs required for each phase of flight. High time helicopter pilots are days ahead of their aircraft.
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