MSFS24 Conversion Experiences

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I’ve been using FXS and FS2020 for a decade or more. I really got into 2020 and built a fairly impressive simulator with a high end CPU (Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8 core) and GPU (RTX 5090). I also have:

Brunner CLS-NG and Rudder pedals, 7 FIPs, iPad with Foreflight, RSG GNS530/430, RSG GMA 350, 8 Flight Illusions Gauges, Honeycomb Bravo, Logitech Multi panel and Radio panel, V3rnio TPM, RSG generic switch panel, 3 55” HDTV displays, a Next Level Racing Motion Platform Plus - probably a couple of other things I forgot.

Everything in 2020 runs beautifully! Have not had an issue or a CTD in years. Started to try 24 a year or so ago, but quickly discovered that Flight Illusion didn’t support 24 so I noped out and went back to 20.

Friday after work, thought I’d give it another shot. Took a full backup of my computer and started 24 again. Spent 12+ hours Friday and Saturday trying to get my FI gauges working through Air Manager. Hours and hours of troubleshooting because everything worked but the knobs. Went through troubleshooting steps, reboots, clean community folder, coding in Air Manager, buying FSUIPC7 for what turned out to be no reason. Install this, uninstall that, try again - finally one time they just started working. No real rhyme or reason. Put things back in community 1 by 1 and it still worked - success! The FI gauges should have been the hardest chore.

It’s now Sunday and my next task was to go after a few buttons on my RSG generic switch panel that didn’t work in 24. Shouldn’t be a big deal, just use the Spad event monitor to find the new event names and update the RSG command mapping. Nope. Seems like every time I go to open Spad or AirManager or sometimes just at random, MSFS 24 just goes CTD. I’ve had at least 7 of them today. Worse, if you fire it back up, it will run again - all they way up until you push that “Ready to Fly” button - then automatic CTD. Only way to not get it and reset is to do a full reboot, which takes quite a bit of time with this rig. Just cannot believe how brittle and unstable 24 is. Pretty sure I’m about to reload that image I took on Friday and go back to 2020 - the land of stability.

Anyone want to talk me into staying with it on 24? I’ll admit the graphics look great (I could care less about career mode). Anybody else come over from 20 and have a painful experience? Anyone running a “complicated” setup like mine? Just trying to gauge how it is going for everyone else so I can determine if I have any hope of getting this thing stable.

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Your cockpit is more extensive than mine, for sure. But I have 35 USB devices attached to my computer (30 of them split between 3 powered hubs.)

I use SPAD to program my Streamdeck XL, Streamdeck Plus, Alpha/Bravo, Virpil Joystick, VKM STECS Throttle. I don’t use Air Manager, but I do use POPM with two 10.5" touchpanels in addition to my 4K and 2K main monitors.

I’m been using FS24 since November 2024, and uninstalled FS20 about two months ago.

FS24 is very stable on my system. It’s not quite as potent as yours (7950X3D, 3090 Ti) but it does alright.

You have a issue somewhere that’s leading you to believe that FS24 is an unstable product. It’s really not. You need to do some failure analysis.

Pare your system down to a core setup (clean Community folder, the sim, SPAD, mouse/keyboard/monitor) and start adding devices and software until it fails. Rinse and repeat.

Also, I firmly believe that power issues cause more problems than most people realize.

  • Is your power supply up to the task?
  • Do you have the entire cockpit on a big enough UPS with true sine wave AVR?

These are just some thoughts that are coming into my head. I’m enjoying superb stability, and have been for some time now. Much better than when I was running FS20. So the carrot is there for you.

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Appreciate you sharing! Definitely don’t think I have a power issue, but I’ll keep stepping through. Given all the comments I’d seen from others about 24 being more geared toward XBox, I was concerned that maybe it just didn’t support these highly complex home cockpits any longer - at least not while remaining stable.

If I’m totally honest, it took a good way to get 20 running smooth as well. I just never saw so many consistent CTDs in a short time before. I’ll keep trying to work through it. Good thing about this flight sim software - we wind up learning a LOT going through the process.

Curious to know if others have had the same experience - frustrating at first, stable in the end?

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This is probably more unhelpful than helpful, but I’m on 2020 and I see no real reason to move to 2024. 2020 is stable for me at the moment (well, mostly… :slight_smile: ) and maybe I’m lazy but it sounds like a whole lot of work for having to deal with a whole bunch of problems to move over. I have a beefy system (9800x3d, 7900xtx), if I thought performance and graphics were better on 2024 WITHOUT risk of it crashing more or other issues I’d move, but it doesn’t seem that way to me, even if it’s much better now than it was a year ago.

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3 weeks in, probably a good 50 hours of work on Air Manager, Flight Illusion gauges, learning how to use developer mode to create a package to over-ride cameras.cfg (a task that took 5 minutes in MSFS2020) and then running into dead end after dead end trying to change flight_model.cfg to make my Brunner CLS-NG Yoke trim work, hours reconfiguring my Real Sim Gear switch panel to use new updated commands AND I still have not been able to take a single flight. So far, MSFS24 is a complete bust for my home cockpit - nothing but frustration, confusion and over-complication.

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And after 10 more hours, giving up on ever getting a way to adjust the elevator trim limit to make my $2000 FFB yoke to work correctly, 3 more hours configuring controls - decided to finally just give up and take a short flight KOUN to KADM to see the scenery. CTD 18 minutes in. Hope you all enjoy FS24, back to FS20 forever for me.

Not sure how anyone who has experienced the two could ever come to the conclusion that FS24 is better in any way other than graphics. FS20 is far superior in stability, configurability, easy of operation, third-party control compatibility and modifiability.

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You were 100% RIGHT! Back on 2020, just flew for 1.5 hours without a single issue.

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MSFS2024 plus realistic 3D VR!

Much better than all that hardware equipment… because THAT is your issue…:wink: