HPG feels very rigid and on rails with pretty clear “cuts” when FM transitions from like hover etc. I find those not enjoyable at all.
Cowan while quite nice on a spring stick feels very light (specially the 500) and has not a whole lot of innertia and is pretty stable, specially in the hover and manouvering, they won’t very easily depart controlled flight. And you can get them back from some crazy angles and have a LOT of power with hardly any RPM drop un less you go absolutely crazy. That is not to say that i don’t enjoy hooning around in them though.
The 300 to me really feels more believable, it will drift and get out of controll a lot easier yet is less touchy and more weighty. Also it reacts a lot more to altitude and the MAP falling off. And it will depart controlled flight very fast if you don’t stay ontop of it, specially in a hover.
I don’t care too much about visuals but these are quite good, sound and FM feel though are ultra important to me, and after the initial problems it just feels very-very good.
And for me the FM is a lot better than Cowan or Taog (only flown that at a buddy not on my rig).
The Aluoette 3 i only flow on a buddy his rig and it’s quite nice too, but not all that many features either, though they do add some, and the FM felt a bit weird, fishtailing very easely and bopping up and down etc.
To me helicopter FM benchmarks are the helos in DCS (bar old Gazelle), they feel very fluid, and to me the 300 brings that to MFS. And for 15 euro’s i think it is absolutely fantastic.
Just took her up from Telluride, a smidge over 9000ft and down to the road below and back up. Carefully leaning the engine and constaly using transitional lift and ground effect.
Didn’t the patch notes say the bug only occurs under certain realism settings. So can’t users simply turn off any assists and be done with it? I myself have never encountered that bug (I don’t use trim)…
HPG is in a whole different level, the H145 is the only heli in MSFS that has SAS. force trim and a working autopilot. These might not be important to all the pilots but they are modeled.
Cowan has just quickly converted his models to MSFS and they look quite bad, specially cockpit textures look from 2000, they have no SAS no AP and they claim they are waiting for Asobo to do the work for them.
Nemeth is one of the worst devs in MSFS and his S300 shows exactly that, a product that could be great only if the dev cared about it. Great external model, a nice FM but a complete lack of attention to details. The Copilot thing is beyond understanding, who could not notice that before release? A rotor without sounds for a heli is a big problem and we can be sure the heli will not be updated or, if a miracle happen, it will get a quick update and then we will never hear from Nemeth again util their next product.
The Alouette III is great, flies very well and the dev is keeping the updates coming. I think the H145 is the best “modern” heli in MSFs and the Alo is the best “classic”
The Flyinside B206 has amazing sounds and a great flight model but the graphics are like Cowan’s, very outdated, I still like it a lot more because of the custom FM and superior sounds.
Hopefully helis will slowly get better and better for MSFS.
Just been giving it a bash at altitude and I do have to agree with you on the behaviour, very good actually, it’s certainly better than most in that situation.
I do really enjoy it, it’s a lot of fun for the price. It just lacks the extra touches that i mentioned that would turn it from a good heli to a top quality one. Certainly from a looks and flying perspective it’s excellent, and those are of course the most important bits.
I’m still not impressed with complete lack of any sound from the rotor, and a clock that tells the correct time and a working Hobbs meter whilst not the most important things in the world are things I like to see working, along with doors that open. It’s 2023, these are pretty basic things to expect in any half decent addon imo.
I cant stop flying it though, which says something As i say, very good for the price. Wouldn’t have taken much to make it an absolutely top tier addon though.
Tbh for the price it’s great and the type of helo it is, for any more i may have skipped it.
I assume the clock, trim and hob get fixed.
As for doors, i have always been a big advocate for those but now that i think of it, i cannot remember the last time i actually opened a door. However being able to remove them totally for even better sight would be a welcome adition.
Same here, i just keep jumping in this thing, it’s just so fun to fly, and i love the sound of the lycoming
I never assume anything when it comes to Nemeth. Hope to be proved wrong though! I know these are small issues in the scheme of things, but I’m all about the details.. I can’t help it!
I’m the sort of nerd that always starts with doors open, and opens my door during/after shutdown. On great weather days…doors off every time
Ok I am going to give nemeth my money now since you say its fantastic and all and I am desperate after a new chopper and I wont touch the mscenery stuff.
If its not good I am going to be very sad!
I have seen videos of people flying it and saying its good just because you can control it, well, I can control the 407 and the three mscenery choppers I have too, that dont make any of them good or fun or usable.
No its bad! So please stop saying its good! Right before this I flew the mscenery r22 and had a better flight.
With standard controller settings it is basically totally unflyable.
With my 70% sensetivity and no deadzone its flyable but still you have a cyclic that dont do what its suppose to do, like in the 407 and all mscenery, and this renders it useless!
I turned of some trim button but made not much difference. Pulling down on the cyclic makes it twist and turn right instead.
Since the new update to the game all helis have gotten a bit different behaviour and not even the lovely airwolf chopper is as good to fly anymore and has a tendency to bank right now.
Really tired of this chopper roulette that is going on with updates that change the good one to bad and no updates for the bad ones!
Whatever you do dont buy this!
And nemeth, have fun with my money!
Can I have a return?!
Swedish law says I can!
Version 1.0.1 is already up on their website, but unfortunately it was not in today’s Marketplace update.
Have you tried pulling the fuse for the trim? This should get rid of the trim bug.
Otherwise, I would advise to give it another try and see if you can get used to it. For me it took a bit of training, but since then I really like the S300 and even put it at the top of my list for this month’s top ten in the Aircraft section.
I wrote it in the post above.
And as long as the cyclic dont do what the cyclic should do then we are all over again in the 407 ( nemeth chopper too remember ) territory and as far as I know the cyclic forward should tip the front forward, that is how its all constructed and that is my muscle memory for all other choppers.
So since this is the best chopper then why do it behave completely different?!
For me right now on low stable collective it banks right when pulling down!
Basically the only direction it behaves as it should is cyclic left.
So either this ( and the beloved 407) is the most realistic or I should not have to relearn how to fly just to fly this.
I understand why you think its so good, its somewhat stable in hover, but dont be fooled by that, nemeth dont know how a cyclic should behave!
The mscenery s300 is basically better to fly also! And that dont even have a working tailrotor! And a horrible cyclic behaviour!
NiffStipples described a similar behaviour when he had the trim bug:
Not sure as once the stick is held at 45% deg roughly the controls are as in any helicopter in either games.
That’s why I am asking if the trim fuse is pulled to make sure it’s not the known bug where trim goes 100% left for some users. This bug should be fixed with the 1.0.1 that is not in the store yet.
I’ve been flying sim heli’s for 30+ years. From the Amiga classics, all MSFS versions, DCS and Xplane. I’m fully aware of how a good heli should behave and how they should respond to inputs.
This little beauty is a good as any when it comes to the flight model.
So I did some more experimentation, and maybe I am starting to understand the behavior you are describing. I use a joystick with an extension, so I can move it about 20 cm in each direction. In a hover and most phases of the flight, I only use 1 or 2 cm of travel, so very small, controlled movements.
When I am in a hover and want to transition into forward flight, I move the joystick only a little forward and let the helicopter slowly gain speed.
But if I move the joystick quickly forward about 50% of travel, the S300 suddenly moves the nose to the right, just as you describe.
I never experienced this before, because I never quickly move my joystick that far. I cannot say if this behavior is correct, because I have never flown a helicopter in the real world. But from all that I have read and heard, being smooth on the controls is extremely important for helicopter flying.
So my advice would be to try very small, smooth movements. I can imagine this is hard on an XBox controller. But with some patience and training, it should be possible.
As i say, very good for the price. Wouldn’t have taken much to make it an absolutely top tier addon though.