That’s my question. Why do it and release so many buggy updates? Is it to appease the people that want to participate in a beta? Maybe because they didn’t have one for so long and everyone gave them grief for it? Su11 was betaed. Please explain how such a flawed update(SU11) was released?
Also why is fixing all the issues to this point not realistic? Are they incapable of fixing them? They broke them, and released them. They should fix them before they move on.
Example:
If you bought a aircraft from the market and it was so buggy you couldn’t fly it without it crashing the sim. Then the same developer released another aircraft that also has bugs. They don’t go back and fix the one you bought and just keep making buggy add ons. Would you be happy with that developer? Wouldn’t you want them to go back and fix what you paid for before they continue to release more junk?
What happened to doing things right? What happened to integrity and taking pride in a job well done? They are spending all this time adding things to a buggy piece of software that never gets truly fixed. Stop! Just stop and fix what you got. If it takes a year fine. Nike said it best. JUST DO IT!!
Its a huge, complex product, and fixing things takes time. You may remember one beta went on for something like 5 months, and even that had issues. Remember that making a bug report is far quicker, and easier than fixing a bug. Let’s say you get 300 reports during a beta, lowballing for a moment.
Some of those will be serious issues, others not so much. Somewhere in their process these will be triaged, and prioritised for a forthcoming update. Some may not make the cut, so are pushed down the stack for a future release.
Show me a Steam release, for example, where the dev. released a single update that fixed all the issues.
So 5 months wasn’t enough. Take a year if necessary. Take however long they need to not release sim braking updates. They are not progress, they are a step backwards. Why do they feel they have to release so many updates a year? How about 1 a year that actually works?. They said 10 years of support. This isn’t support this is a frustrating mess.
Maybe just admit they are in way over their heads and let another developer do it right. Like I said, if we all screwed up this much at a job we would all be gone form it.
Bringing us rudely back on topic, this thread is about sim crashes.
I assume your passion stems from the fact that you are getting CTD’s a lot?
If so, what have you tried to resolve them?
What do you see in the Event Log? There is always an entry generated when the sim crashes, in my experience, and the fault code listed may shine a light on what is happening to your sim.
Have you tried flying without any Community mods, in an Asobo default plane?
Yes I have CTD since the last update as many others do. I will tell you my add ons worked fine in the previous version with no CTD. The performance was better in the previous version.
I shouldn’t have to try and resolve them. They shouldn’t exist in the first place.
I don’t want to look at crash logs or be a beta tester. I don’t want to spend days finding the latest setting that will work after every update. Nothing changed on my end. Same hardware same drivers. I have a busy life, and have very little time to try and enjoy the sim, but with these issues I can’t. It just gets frustrating and pretty much unenjoyable.
That’s fine. But if you want help there has to be some buy in on your end.
Others are willing to help, but if you aren’t willing to try things out then its a one sided conversation, and you most likely won’t get a lot of help from others in that case.
Help us help you in other words.
But if you don’t want to do that, then you are kind of shouting into the wind, and this conversation, and your involvement in it is kind of pointless.
I think you are misunderstanding. I don’t need help. The developer needs help. Thanks for the back and forth. Happy flying if you can without it crashing.
Clean up your drives, get rid of your windows.olds etc. because the more you fill up your drives the more pressure you put on data controllers. And clear out community of FSX abandonware, they are never coming back to life.
Without the quality add-ons the sim is boring. The default planes and a 5 out of 10 at best. They have a market with add-ons and they make a lot of money from them. Add-ons make this sim enjoyable and fun. If they are the issue then don’t allow them.
Ah, so you have no Community addons, only Marketplace addons?
If you have Community addons, then you have to at least try a few flights with that folder empty. It’s just a diagnostic step, and a highly recommended one. It could just be a single addon causing your instability.
Done that with every update. Says to empty the folder when you update and then I fly without any add-ons for a few days. After this last update the performance was so bad with the same settings I had in the previous update, I stopped flying for a bit. Spent hours going though settings to get some performance back. 13900k water cooled, 4090,suprim water cooled, Two 2 tb 990 SSDs. Only fly in VR G2. Before the update I had over 50 FPS. After the update its down to average 40. Everything on ultra except clouds at high. Dlss quality, Open XR scaled to 200% terrain LOD was at 400 now at 200 because of performance drop with this update.
Yes some crashes without add-ons. Regardless I don’t want to fly the default aircraft. My add-ons worked wonderfuly well in the previous version along with way better performance.. Thanks. I’m tired now. Been fun though.
My advice is universal and although it may not be your particular problem there will be others that neglect their systems like they probabably neglected their wives before the divorce
Every update is buggy for thousand of users. I have done everything Asobo has emailed me and nothing works. This has been occuring for several updates. This is not new. Please tell me any other software on the entire WORLD market that breaks after an update. XPlane 12 no.
Please do not listen to the nay sayers. You are not alone with the problems concerning this sim. MSFS use to have a WHOLE department that only worked on the sim. I understand world economics but using a company that is working on several projects at the same time is extremely hard. They need to have workers working only on the sim. It is evident because they are currently trying to hire workers to do just that, sim workers only. But right now they are over their heads. FACTS not speculation.
This is such a complex project. I get that. But such a complex project needs proper debug and reporting code, and this seems to have none.
Which is probably why Asobo all but do nothing to communicate with people in these forums, because they know we won’t be able to tell them anything meaningful at a technical level, because there is no debug or reporting code. All we have is opinions.
I don’t see how this can ever change. There are only two possible routes forward:
Proper debug and reporting code which automatically sends meaningful problem reports to Asobo.
Asobo gets lucky and it eventually maybe it works OK.
Unfortunately, Asobo have chosen the second option.
. Funny though. Have a good one.