NEW RELEASE: YSim SubSonex JSX-2

simMarket: YSIM - SUBSONEX JSX-2 MSFS

This can go either way… Looks like a personal mini-jet, a bit like the CriCri. Let’s see how this goes - I have some refund points from SimMarket.

Apparently this was done in collaboration with the manufacturer of the aircraft, so maybe not too bad? Video and screenshots show a Garmin inside. Description says “Garmin version coming soon”. This is a red flag.

YSim is someone new with no reputation as far as I am aware of.

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the model looks nice. im on the fence with this one

Hang an hour. I will have actual pics and some first impressions. Downloading right now. :wink:

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Yes, I have just seen the video and found it difficult to make a call myself by just watching it bearing in mind the lowish cost of the product. Anyway, the file size seems decent FWIW. Very little else to go on so thanks for trying it out.

I await your impressions with interest. Hopefully it’s not the worst one you’ve come across recently :slightly_smiling_face:

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according to the discord, they had been waiting for approval from subsonex before releasing the sim…whatever that means
no idea if that meant scrutiny of FM and controls functions, or just hammering out legal agreement

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Thanks for doing this, I know some have criticized you for paying for bad planes but you’ve helped countless people avoid doing so! I hope this is a good one; it seems like a neat little plane.

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Being an aircraft design, there are aspects of that design that are owned by the company and even making a flight sim airplane can infringe on those rights. It’s intellectual property and at least is protected by copyright and possibly by patent.

If YSIM didn’t seek or get permission for the design, should SubSonex decide to, they could use legal actions to stop sales and sue for damages which can be multiples of actual damages.

Anyone selling sim aircraft has to be especially mindful of this. Anyone infringing copyright but not making money is still exposed. It’s a real thing and very important.

About being like the Cri-Cri, let’s hope it’s better. The Cri-Cri is extremely bugged and nearly invisible in multiplayer due to not drawing other Cri-Cri aircraft. You only see the cockpit. Very disappointed in ATSimulations. They sold a pig in a poke and apparently don’t seem to even care about making it right.

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This is gonna be interesting! Looking at the manual… It seems this aircraft comes with an MGL Avionics package - what I believe is a first payware custom avionics module in an aircraft. This can go either way. Loading the sim.

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im well aware of that, this isnt my first rodeo

still, especially in the MSFS ecosystem consisting largely of quickly slapped together ,low effort cash grabs, its clear that manufacturers are rarely consulted with

but still, like i said: waiting for approval from the OEM could mean many things: did the original manufacturer expect a certain degree of fidelity or did they just expect a large enough licensing fee before giving their blessing?

I have been stalking the MGL Avionics page to read up on the unit’s features before trying this. I am gonna venture to guess a bunch is not implemented (like Synthetic Vision), but I expect that. Let’s just hope what IS implemented actually works.

We live in a crazy world where some people get a temporary high for knocking other people who are just genuinely trying to help which is what I believe is the case here. I’m guessing they are in the minority though.

Anyway, interested to see what the first impressions are :slightly_smiling_face:

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Oh well. I took your “whatever that means” as you not understanding why they had to wait for permission.

to be fair, i followed my “whatever that means” by the two separate cases that i thought it would be

Sonex makes some cool stuff, seen a few SubSonex fly and they look like a ton of fun. Here is the manufacturer’s webpage for the SubSonex if anyone is interested.

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Agree, go for it @BostonJeremy77 ! :wink:



















Here you go… Some shots.

Overall, this isn’t bad AT ALL. I find myself enjoying it A LOT more than the Cri Cri. Let’s get into details.

GRAPHICS:
They are ok. Not bad. Not stellar. Visual model seems ok in terms of texturing, the rivets look decent, it comes with a few colourful liveries. But I find that the flaps look a little… plastic - look at the shot with them in the down position. Everything just looks shiny and brand new like this thing has never been flown before. It’s not detailed enough. The cockpit looks decent too. Overall, I am not complaining here at all, but this isn’t your Carenado or JustFlight quality. This isn’t a knock, but it does make things look sterile.

GROUND HANDLING:
It’s twitchy a little bit on takeoff, but it’s pretty good. Smooth sailing. EXCEPT!!! One inexplicable thing is that the cockpit has a parking brake switch that is modeled. But it’s INOP. Moreover, the parking brake just doesn’t work even if you toggle it with a joystick. So when you fire up that engine, make sure you are fully on idle, or this thing begins to roll. I’d like to see this fixed ASAP.

SOUND:
Really weak. Cockpit canopy is open but doesn’t make a sound when you close it. Switches don’t have sound. There is no sound change when you close the canopy. Engine just has a low hum and doesn’t sound very impressive at all. I don’t know what that real engine sounds like, but the whole thing has a feel of a budget low-powered vacuum cleaner. The sound is the weakest part of this package.

SYSTEMS:
There isn’t much to talk about here. The MGL avionics are nice, but only the VERY basics are modeled. No Synthetic Vision, No Autopilot (which the real unit provides), no map. This is a visual flight only. The nice part is you can switch between a Garmin-like view with the altitude and speed indicator and a “steam gauge” version. I actually prefer flying in the “steam gauge” mode because I can easily see everything I need including VS, flaps position, etc. You will notice in a shot or two, there is a G-force indicator that pops up in the middle of the screen if you do anything twitchy that causes your G-forces to drastically change. This also happens on landing (understandably so). That whole row of buttons underneath is INOP. You can change the altitude with one of the right knobs, but I am not sure what the use for that is without an autopilot. I have to look at this system a little more. There is a touchscreen cursor, but not quite sure what it’s for as I haven’t been able to click anything on screen with any result.

FLIGHT:
It’s VERY easy to fly. Easy to trim. Pleasure to handle. There is a smoke system if you are into that kinda thing. Be careful as it takes a bit of time for it to slow down from cruise speed before you begin your descent. It took a couple of minutes to bleed it off before I could descend. The “steam gauge” view also provides the white arc, which is generally the safe flap operating range. So that’s useful to see how much further I need to slow down before I can let the flaps down. There are 3 flap stages. The gear retracts and the animation looks nice. I really enjoyed flying it. Takeoff and landing are smooth - just keep your aircraft centered during takeoff, it can get a little twitchy.

OVERALL:
This isn’t something that will satisfy anything who is into really in-depth aircraft, but it’s nicely done for a first release. Despite the limits in implementation, I enjoy having even a basic avionics package that isn’t Garmin to look at.

I really hope the parking brake is implemented.

If you want a personal mini-jet, this is enjoyable. I can see this for VFR sightseeing that CAN go slow (traveling about 65 knots during descent with flaps out) but CAN go above 200 knots if you want. Just get me a parking brake.

I don’t regret it. Your mileage may vary. Don’t come to me asking for refunds, I will send you VERY far away. (Yes, I have had people do that)

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Heck. $44,000. That’s less than it cost me to mod up X-plane 11.

Only kidding. Seriously, though, it looks great fun for such a low price. :slightly_smiling_face::slightly_smiling_face:

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Thanks for the info and review(s) :+1:

Whats your job … i want it also lol :joy:

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HMMMM… I am now tempted to buy something like this. $44,000??? Where is my wife?

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Amazing how this tiny engine can drive an airplane! This thing is smaller than my computer tower.