Well, i still hope and think the system we had will be the future of weather in flight simulators. I think MSFS could have been the start of that era. But those devs listened to those users that absolutely needs the weather to be fixed instead. They had a weather system with huge potential that got ruined instantly with su7. That requires endless work with transitions and stuff because those METAR will allways differ from the forecast model. Some says add more frequent updates of MB model but that will decrease quality even more. Some says add more different sources of weather but that doesnât help only gets more job with transitions and stuff. Thats why i only want one source of weather that already fits globally. I also know that those weather models gets more accurate overtime without Asobo changing anything because better and better computers creates those models, and technology gets improved all the time to be able to make the next forecast more accurate. Will those models be 100% accurate in the future, who actually know? Machinelearning improves all the time. Maybe in the future weather may not be unpredictable. But as long as itâs unpredictable we will see forecastmodels and METAR differ. But those sources will never fit.
Either we want the METAR set in a circle above airports or we want a fluid realistic weather system above our airports. But forcing this hybrid system on us all isnât what i expected when i bought this sim.
First image is MSFS weather along with METAR. You can see that the METAR is showing clear but because of MB you get a front moving in.
The second image is just using METAR based data which will only use the METAR closest to the user. Because of this, everything else is clear because the METAR hasnât updated yet. So which is more realistic? Definitely the first one. But itâs only realistic because MB is filling in what just the METAR would be showing. So, take other options for METARS like Activesky or REX and you can see the problem. Now if it was just MB I would image things would look about +/- 90% what they should be and you wouldnât have these hard differences between just METARS and METAR blending. How much clearer can it get about how things are being affected and their differences as well as strengths and weaknesses?
Yes the first is more accurate in my opinion. But the METAR is also correct. The only inaccurate is how the weather is shown by rex because the METAR had less data to be able to create a complete picture of weather. As i explained of that active sky review.
Well, to be able to know if a METAR is 100% accurate we need to be at that specific weather station IRL and check if it matches.
But i donât argue about the accuracy. The accuracy maybe has been increased around airports. But it made the whole weather engine much worse.
I hope Asobo also can listen on us that actually preffer to fly in an atmosphere that feels like an atmosphere.
The most irritating thing is that we need to defend our opinions all the time here. Itâs because the weather system is forced on all of us. Those that wants the system more accurate to METAR donât want that changed now when it finally got more accurate to those. But we that got robbed of the old weather model tries to get that back that made us enjoy the sim.
If they are able to completely change weather model why wouldnât they be able to add a toggle for that new system? If they did that to begin with in su7 we wouldnât be here argue whats best.
The âliveâ or that the weather needs to be same for all of the users part of the so called live-weather has really created negativity that didnât needed to be around here in my opinion.
We have had the option to use custom-weather since release of this sim. That means not all the users use same weather already.
On that note, i would like for someone to open a new post in the general section of the forum with a link to the post to vote on a toggle. Perahps we can hust honestly explain our points and kindlycask to vote on the other post? I feel the whislist secrion is not read as often and also the post moves dow put of sight too fast!
We need to come up with a good clickbait title first.
Well, i had many votes on the question to get the non metar weather model back as an optional feature a year ago. But that were pointless Martial said.
A bit unfair when those that wanted METAR interfare with the MB model got what they asked for. To me adding METAR into the MB-model is pointless and only destroys the weather that were supposed to be seamless to begin with.
Those that expected something else should have looked for another sim or waiting for an addon that does that. Besides we had that already near release of this sim REX weather force or the free addon unreal weather. But those who wanted METAR needed it in the live-weather as well.
We that actually enjoyed the MB only model were left behind.
Well i think if they have made huge chsnges assuming all of us would be happy then i donât see why not listening to us too? 2 years after the introduction of METAR and the damage is well out ther for people to see
I still think we could have got the option. Who in this flight simming community cares if i use the MB-only weather? Iâm for sure doesnât care if someone uses rex for example. But i for sure see the point in having options available to choose from. I bet even those that wanted the weather to be as METAR says at airports would have used the option too. Then if they actually needed the weather to be fixed they could switch on the MB+METAR hybrid.
actually they didnt they wanted the weather bugs fixed. but it is the excuse used to justify moving away from complex weather data for cost and performance reasons
If this were the reason i would be happy to pay a small subscription fee like i do with navigraph to have the release weather back. But then i would also expect much more priority of the MB-model data added and improved that already fits everywhere. That were something i expected with this model to begin with. No management between different sources needed.
Well, after how iâve seen them handled the weather up until now iâm not going to pay anything extra though.
What i read in the latest release notes were that the METAR caused high server load. Well, you may be right. But why would the 12 hour model costs more than the 6 hour model of weather? the 6 hour model has those postprocessing and that i would expect cost more but less quality in output. As weâve seen since su7
And this, sadly, is probably the most significant factor in the decisions made. The ask for METAR just fitted with something that for cost and performance reasons needed to be done anyway to meet server demand.
Who knows, they have improved server performance in other areas. And in many ways the issue with METARs could be resolved through better integration logic. Which brings us back to the original purpose of this post: screenshots of Nexrad METAR bubbles wanted! Coz it ainât fixed in SU12.
Same thing will happen with all of the terrain data that we need to download Well i bet in this sim itâs more important how the terrain looks than how the atmosphere feels.
Well, you recall that TLOD went to hell at the same time undoubtedly for the same basic reason and there was rightly an outcry over that. It too is still not quite what it was.
If we want change, then itâs votes and evidence : like your comparison video which made the point very well in showing how layers and cloud type variety are now lacking.
And yes Iâd be happy to pay a subscription too for improved server delivery. If there are those that want it, and are prepared to pay and the costs of setting up and running the enhanced service are worth it to Microsoft, then why not?
I think they need to use an altogether more clever way of interpolating the data. There is a role here for Bayesian logic and Fournier transformations.
I think the density in clouds also lacking now. They canât set that thin clouds to be able to block the sky and sun anymore.
I have tried to tell what we have seen since su7. But most of the time we only gets users opinions that says everything is fine and we are wrong or something and needs to defend our own opinions. When we actually want the weather to feel like pre su7 for everyone again as an optional feature if itâs not possible to get it in the state we had without. And it seems itâs not possible because we hav not seen that happening for 2 years soon. The old weather engine/model they said they developed over a 2 years period of time. And getting this already in their mind ârealease ready stateâ post su7 weather model fixed wouldnât take more time than that.
Well if i have been here hoping to get the quality i used to have pre su7 and it turns out to be because of costs i will never buy a server based sim or whatever again. But they will never tell us that for sure but i start to think you are correct.
If one of the major reasons for dumbing down the weather was to consolidate data and increase performance, that is quite laughable considering that the most extensive use of data and performance resources goes to constantly streaming how many Terabytes of Bing data to users? So what youâre saying is that users complained about too much data and loss of performance and blamed it on the weather? Flying is 90% weather and 10% looking at the ground or your surroundings. I would have thought that having the best weather representation would have been more important than simply nice ground textures. Go back to basic ground school and see how much time they spend on weather versus geographical flying. Weather is by far more important.
Well i bet in this sim itâs more important how the terrain looks than how the atmosphere feels.