Totally agree 
I agree too, and this is why i am so intense about these last two yearsâŠ
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So, Iâm not sure who your comment was directed at or who you are suggesting go back to ground schoolâŠ
I would have thought it wouldnât have been the users per se asking for this, although plenty wanted fewer CTDs and better all-round stability. It would have been Microsoft looking at demand current and projected (wisely given they now have 1 million plus users). The would have been looking at performance data they collect also.
So probably quite a complex set of factors behind the decision. Certainly more than just a few hundred voted by the shadowy vatsim mafia (!). I say this as someone who has had to make those kinds of big-ticket decisions myself. Itâs never that black and white.
However, given that it is logged as a bug and resource has been put into to improving integration there is some reason to hope for improvement, but Asobo clearly have some significant technical constraints (otherwise things like cloud variety and layers that have nothing really to do with METAR integration would have long been restored). Also it usually seems to take them a few goes to find solutions.
They also explained before su7 were released su7 wouldnât have METAR bubbles because the METAR data were injected into the weather model. How do they explain those then?
And how to inject fixed METAR data without it being noticable? Well, they could make it global then the whole screen would be coverd in green.
Or they could add a a rain cloud that moves over the airport but maybe that cloud moves away from the airport and then it means the METAr were not accurate anymore.
Well, i feel those METAR makes the weather cartoonish.
Feels like they have a lot of work ramaining and it has now been almost 2 years since they released this weather model that they told us had some minor issues/glitches.
I remember i found a spot that didnât report rain while the area around it did. It looked like the airport had an umbrella and a wall of rain in a perfect circle around the airport. And then someone defended that and said that is possible in the real world. But iâm sure itâs not.
Here it is, not from su12 though from 17 jan 2022 I think it is su7. But that confirms the metarbubbles has been around since release of su7 not only since su11 as described in this topic.
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Thank you for this wonderful example. The visible bubble in MSFS is roughly 40-50NM with weather being injected at about 160NM at its borders with weather being beyond the horizon, hence being able to fly into and out. For such serious fliers, if you showed them this on VATSIM they would be in utter disgust. Even with results like this, the fact that each airport is having its own little representation and being able to pull up individual airport data is enough for them to ignore this glitch. That area of the Northeast is well known for miserable and serious weather. Nothing about that is realistic at all. There should be nothing but a blanket of precipitation.
Would be funny to see that posted in the next screenshot contest and see the mass confusion and outrage at how they could choose such silly looking photo. Caption should be, âReal weather using METAR based blendingâ.
Alpine, the response was to Wolfenwingman on post 69. For some reason even though you hit reply to a personâs post it sometimes eliminates their name and posts it as a general post.
Simple answer: Just because they say it should work a certain way doesnât mean it does. They could code and optimize the sim to have everyone running above 40 FPS and youâll still have people with issues. I know I have a very modest laptop setup and I average 30-60FPS and there are people out there with stronger systems who struggle with performance.
The number of people on these forums who have more than a general knowledge of computers and software is on the lower end. From the things I have read with people complaining about or having issues regarding weather, ATC, or AI and who have more than a few years sim experience or come from FS2004, FSX, P3D, or XP should know why these issues exist with just a little bit of thinking about itâŠbut the majority donât. Which is why youâll see in the various AI/ATC/weather threads I have explained and broken things down many many times and yet people still largely have no idea how these components are structed and operate, let alone interact with each other. Those that do donât post much because they know thereâs nothing to really fix until it gets fixed. Those who donât are the ones making post after post about why they arenât working as they should.
is there a campaign against them? did they do something bad? spill the tea
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METARS are simply snapshots of weather at the time theyâre produced. They immediately begin to become outdated until theyâre refreshed roughly every 60 minutes or however often required due to âdrasticâ changes. This goes back to what I said before where METARS are slideshows of the weather whereas MB or forecasted weather is like a movie. So either we want to have 24 slides every hour or a nice full 6-8-12 hours of constant consistently evolving weather. I want to watch a movie, not a slideshow. Just like how I can look out my window for hours and watch the weather change and evolve and not expect it to âsnapâ into what it should be.
I agree.
Weather is largely messed up by users with unrealistic demands. And Asobo listening to those people unfortunately.
Metar was demanded because people complaint weather was not accurate enough.!it was raining on their nearest aiport ⊠but in sim it was just cloudy and rain came in 15 minutes later for example.
Or not at allâŠ. because there is GPS tracker in the nearest rainshower !!! So perhaps the sim is 10 mile off. Even 20 mile of is very good if you look at what you are playing in a REALISTIC way
People tend to forget they are PLAYING on a home pc .. how can you expect 100% accurate weather ? It is even impossible to predict 100% accurate by proffecional meteo serviceâs !
People PLAY a âŹ180 game and have a 80% realistic, ⏠70, B737 addon added to it. But people expect snow in their room and kerosine vapours for ⏠250 
There should be a good mix between the old and the new system. That is all that can be done and not 100% accurate either
Manage expectations and the sim can be fun again
Research them on your own and make your decision. Look into who pays for the data they use, who paid for the weather models they incorporate, etc. Try to access their services as an anonymous user (website or application.) I know people will have differing opinions on repacking public data and selling it, thus I do not want to start a huge debate.
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Iâve been seeing this happen too. It is around moving weather systems. It appears the forecast model will be offset in time from the metar data. So if the forecast calls for rain over an area, and the metars say there is no rain NOW, you get these bubbles. In Texas we have easterly moving weather all the time and i see this swiss cheesed weather constantly. I remember around the games release the weather was offset by 12 hours or so from real live weather. Iâm not sure what time frame it is today, 6 hours, 3 hours? But that offset in time will cause exactly this issue. If the METEO blue forecast injected into the sim was synchronized up to the hour I think weather could be vastly improved.
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Maybe the accuracy will be improved but not the weather/atmospheric behaviour. It needs to update every hour and those updates cause the weather to feel unrealistic. Forecast models only runs 2 times per day. In the middle of those runs they apply post-processing and those makes the runs less detailed but maybe more accurate with those bubbles and clouds that looks generic.
Asobo should have implemented those new weather models as optional features instead of forcing a completely different model on all of us. Asobo canât change the data Meteoblue provides. They just need to choose what data they want to use and render that data in the sim. And i would like to choose what i want to use not what Asobo or other users want me to use. I preffered 2020 release weather model but canât choose to use that anymore.
Asobo can force 1 hour of data on all of us but i would not expect the weather to feel more like weather after that implementation.
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Hi, I also see the âbubblesâ or circles of cloud
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Hi, it is self explanatory, fly over airports at high altitude to see very clearly.
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Hi, I do not have screenshots (I shall remember next time), I have noticed these bubbles/circles almost straight away when I bought MSFS and theyâre very immersion breaking. As I understand it from research this came from Sim Update 7 which was released in November 2021, may I ask why this clear and obvious issue has not been fixed in 1 year and 7 months? I cannot understand the delay to fix this issue.
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Bug still present to this day 27/11/23. I really wish they would ditch this Metar rubbish and go back to the more organic weather depiction/implementation of pre. SU5. Although I know that will never happen. I really hope weather doesnât work in the same way in 2024.
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The question you should be asking is why didnât the sim depict the snow showers that were occurring at those locations, according to this morningâs observations. Those bubbles are evidence that the larger âorganicâ weather modeling isnât picking it up.
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METAR may be an hour or more older. ASOS or AWOS does not mean that the METAR is going to be updated every minute. The weather still has to meet the threshold of an SA for a new out-of-sequence METAR to be published.
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METAR is a scheduled observation.
People think that because of ASOS, METAR is up-to-the-minute accurate. It is not. This is something many of us tried to impress on the âVATSIM it has to follow METAR crowdâ when they demanded the change.
Needless to say, here we are now with weather bubbles expressing how the weather was up to an hour or more ago at some airports while Metroblue continues to feed its prediction of the weather outside of the METAR bubbles.
If you compare your in-game âNEXRADâ with an actual aviation source, such as FOREFLIGHT, you can see how messed up these old METARs really are. Also, the choice to make them a massive bubble around these airports when in reality sometimes they are very localized.
Be sure to share your screenshots with the VATSIM forums and thank them for âfixingâ the weather generation in MSFS.
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Iâm well aware of the limitations of METAR. So how about radar? Why was there nothing shown from the in-game weather when the radar (backed up by surface observations and webcams) clearly showed snow showers at that time?
The people that continue to decry METAR are not making the connection. It is not necessarily the observations that are correct or incorrect, but instead illustrate major gaps in the simâs generated weather, which causes the discrepancies we see. Closing that gap is my objective. The question you should be asking is why did three observations show light snow, yet there were no other returns generated by the sim?
Itâs not that METAR are the end-all, be all root source of weather generation, they are clearly not. But in this case, once again, they are a canary in a coal mine that something more widespread is not being picked up. And in that, they are part of a system of observations that themselves feed back into the modeling.