Please don't differentiate the 2020/2024 Multiplayers

Actually when I use Multiplayer “All Players” I can only see that players from the SIM, which I’m using right now.
When I fly in 2024 I can only see players from 2024 and nobody from 2020. And vice versa.

Thats bad, because I want to do groupflights with my friends, no matter which sim they are using!

In each sim mountains are at the same position, airports as well. All planes in both sims have coordinates, altitudes, speed.
So theres no reason to differentiate. Put the planes of both sims together!!

Other connection tools can do this as well, like VATSIM, IVAO, JoinFS, etc.
Why not the natives MSFS multiplayer?

And: NO! I don’t like to fly on VATSIM etc, because its to stressful for me and my friends.

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The two sims, 2020 and 2024, will never show multiplayer users together. They are two completely different ecosystems. I do not believe there is any plan to bring them together.

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in one of the dev streams they said that it’s not possible… because of… “reasons”…
i dont know

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two different ecosystems? 2024 is a copy paste from 2020…

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There is absolutely no reason to differentiate both Sims. That “ecosystem” reason is simply a no-reason. That’s stupid, sorry.

They could do that, but maybe the true reason is that they want to force everybody to change from #2020 to #2024.
That’s it and nothing else.

There are no technical reasons for sure!

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vatsim does it despite users using different platforms

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I like to can use it as well

I was shown JoinFS by a very enthusiastic Irish guy. Haven’t tried it, but I’ve installed it. I’m ok with that!

I think the biggest issue is cheating/griefing/spamming by players on a legacy platform that will soon cease to be updated.

You might think Asobo promised otherwise but I think 2020 will soon become obsolete as addon developers port their wares to the new sim. It’s like what happened with XP11 when XP12 was released, and XP10 when XP11 was released.

They could do that, but maybe the true reason is that they want to force everybody to change from #2020 to #2024.

And you’d be right. Because if they love money then why not?

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Asobo / MS should make a JoinFS-add-on-thing for all their sim products and made it opensource for every one to include. And a system to toggle does system on or off.

More people using 2020 than 2024 which is a huge mess still, lots of people not moving across until it is sorted out. Personally i think Dev’s that have shifted across to new sim have made a mistake, people are struggling with new sim are not going to be purchasing addons just yet, I’ve seen more devs recently start to offer a product as 2020 and 2024 rather than just 2024

was this ever brought up before the launch of 24 in all their marketing? if so, what was the answer?

I was actually surprised when I heard it wasnt happening, thinking how did we all miss that part.

It was asked in a Q&A they said no.

That’s sad and kind of stupid!

Well, they can’t, the marketplace is shut. But even if they could, you’re probably right.

there was no detailed explanation, they just said no.

the reason is simple. If they would bring that, half of people would not buy 2024. Lots of simmers do multiplayer, group flights and wants to see each other. Me myself flying in several groups and all of them went to 2024. So people who wants to see others, have no choice and must buy 2024.

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They can buy from outside the market place via third parties pc only of course

Actually most casual gamers who do group flights just to fool around aren’t buying any sim, period. They’ll play on Game Pass instead. This isn’t Call of Duty, Overwatch or League of Legends. And with Game Pass you get to play both games for free. But 2024 has career mode so there’s incentive to move over to the new sim.

If you think 2024’s launch was bad, think of the launch of FSX back in 2006. It was such a train wreck back then without any multi-core CPU support that people stayed on FS9 for years, only when Acceleration/SP2 became available with limited multi-core support, and PCs hitting 5GHz overclocks did people start to migrate to FSX.

And let me tell you 2024 is nowhere close to the disaster that was FSX’s launch. Once PMDG and a few others port their addons in a few months most simmers will jump ship, and 2020 will mostly be forgotten.

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Game pass contains standard edition. I maybe met one person having standard. They all do having premium deluxe. I am in several groups each with hundreds of people and they all have premium deluxe or aviator. So don’t know where you get that most people have game pass. Because they really don’t.