Which is fine if they (PMDG)wish to ignore the 12 million people that play the Xbox whoever runs their marketing department needs to sacked
How many of them are ready to drop $100 for a DLC?
The -400 as member of the Classic 737 family is quite different to the NG family.
I suppose it depends on wether the DC6 got fixed on Xbox or not as well…
Most, if not all, of the Xbox users on this forum, for a start.
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That’s entirely on the MS/Asobo side of the house, and given that RSR has clarified that it’s a platform issue, not an SDK issue, that’s preventing them from testing, I suspect they’re worried about the same thing happening to the next thing they release.
This is my suspicion. On Xbox-specific threads elsewhere on the forum, the issue with the DC-6 is rumored(I say this because, really, no one in any official capacity has come here and spelled it out to any of us) to be a WASM incapability in the Xbox OS.
If this is true, then no wonder Asobo hasn’t given Rob the info he needs — it wouldn’t be their problem, it would be the Xbox division at MS.
Interestingly, Rob’s most recent post about exciting news regarding the 737 makes me wonder if the community manager from this forum who posted there was able to provide an insider update regarding this, supposed, Xbox OS issue and that has influenced the sudden shift in what he’s reporting at PMDG’s forum. Or, at the very least, has assured Rob that any PMDG release will be temporarily blocked from the Xbox Marketplace until the fix is made that can allow them to be sold there. There are currently a number of aircraft on the PC Marketplace marked as “PC & Xbox”, yet do not show up in the Xbox Marketplace for unresolved technical issue reasons.
Of course, again, this is all based on speculation from reading various inputs from people familiar with developing for Xbox.
I would also add, that Rob may be quite skeptical of the testing process due to the DC-6 having been thoroughly tested by them on PCs running in Xbox emulation mode (how you develop add-ons for Xbox) and no one at Xbox Cert. caught the issue in testing the DC-6 there.
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Not being funny, as I want this aircraft as we all do and I value PMDGs aircraft highly, but you’d hope the DC6 experience would have been fully absorbed in the development cycle…
I am really interested to know if iniBuilds are going through the same issues as PMDG. I suspect not if iniBuilds are not releasing to Xbox (I can’t see anywhere they say they are).
It is also a pity we don’t see anything soon from ToLiss, the A340 would be amazing in this sim if it were exactly the same as the Xp11 version. Its understandable at this point though (I bet it would make them a small fortune if it were on MSFS 2020).
At same time I don’t want to blame Xbox for everything, its on the Devs to choose the platforms they release to.
It´s not just a DLC. It´s a PMDG! One has joy and interesting things to read and study for weeks when buying a PMDG 
And so it is true, an iniBuild Airbus is really coming to Flight Sim 20?! EPIC! I hope that this window showing the animated turbine with all the technical data will be available too.
(I would even pay 20$ more added to the price just to get this detailed engine simulation! This is beyond AWESOME it´s fully animated and shows endless details of every engine section.)
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Yes iniBuilds mentioned a while ago, they did originally say before end of 2021, so maybe its close too? I have all the iniBuilds aircraft in Xp11 and they are superb.
I think once ToLiss descover iniBuilds profit on this platform (which will likely be huge compared to other platform), they will join in as well, so we might end up with the superb A340.
Who knows, then maybe Hot Start follow / Flight Factor etc etc.
Lets hope the good news from PMDG is a release date.
All - I do not mean to divert subject but point out as an example that real “study level Planes” are complex. “Aviation Pro” on YouTube, did a video on the “Cold and Dark 787 from Quality Wings for I think P3D”. The POINT, in a real plane, not the partial half breeds we have in sim now. The real start up procedure is a series of complex steps in order so you and the passengers arrive safe at your destination. Because the Check list in sim for 747 was a mess, I did hours of research and posted mine on this forum. It’s more lifelike than the sim, but I did use the 747 in the sim to accomplish. If study level, wayyyy more steps and procedures to do (for instance not ONE Pilots Computer system operates, not in any plane), before pushback, engine start, and taxi. That, presently, PMDG is having issues because the code is wrong, or the SDK is a joke is the point. Again, we are 18 months into sim release, bugs introduced at release, still present. Is this the Forza game mentioned above?
If MS/Asobo don’t get there house in order I believe and correct if I’m wrong that the majority of “serious simmers” will jump ship to XP12 - I just watched a clip on youtube of the A330 on XP12 and it looks amazing.
OK the visuals in terms of landscape may not be as nice but again the “study level” pilots would much prefer high videlity aircraft rather than nice scenary! at FL390 it all looks the same.
MS2020 will become a nice “sim” for GA flying and sight seeing… some of the bugs and mistakes of MS are becoming uneceptable and the lack of communication is herendous.
If PMDG are being truthful which I have no douth in there is a serious problem if they can’t even get a response!
BTW I am not a “study level” pilot infact I am very new to flight sime so this is pure speculation and I understand this is not everyones view!
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I dont know what you mean by this? It is very easy to load up a shot of X-Plane 11 and MSFS and go ham on the XP11 graphics, just as it easy to Load up the numerous study level planes, systems, failures, flight modelling, all the extras, the CL650 from Hot start and go ham on MSFS!
We can do that all day, and there is a clear winner FOR NOW on each side of the debate. Getting salty about it and throwing out silly comments, about youtubers who by the way, the ones I watch such as FlightDeck2Sim, EasyJet Sim pilot (MSFS only) V1 Simulations, RealAirbusPilot and many more do not go into the graphics we all know the difference, and even with XP-12 it still wont look as good scenery wise I do not think anyway, but they have yet to play that hand. So I dont know what you are watching, but what do you learn from these streams, if they are still bemoaning graphics? as opposed to watching actual type rated pilots fly the planes. Weather they choose MSFS or XP-11/12 who really cares?
We all want our sim or sims of choice filled with the Aircraft we like, we dont need to go Tribal, (which i have been guilty of) but when we get stuff like “FSX like” and no 3d buttons" lol… I got to laugh really, as it is just silly. Despite what you say XP11 can look remarkable at times, and its night lighting is really very good for a nearly 7 year old platform, now running on a what I beleive to be a Hack Job vulkan engine rewrite (For good reasons) XP-12 wont be, it is not too shabby.
Seeing the PMDG birds in MSFS will be a sight to behold no doubt! We may very well have the best of everything in one sim…lets hope!
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Looks pretty good to me (Xp11)…
Make no mistake, if this PMDG issue doesn’t get sorted and the SDK/API issues roll on and on and on, Xp12 could quite easily take a sizeable chunk of customers.
We all hope there is place for all sims, thats why we are here right, I’d like all of the dev studios we have mentioned in this sim because it looks so good and clearly has massive potential, but at some point its got to move from potential to actual.
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it does!
To be fair, I have minimal experience with XP11 but one thing I have noticed from watching youtube is that XP11 feels far more “professional” if that makes sense. MSFS2020 almost feels a bit like an arcade game if that makes sense with some nice “eye candy”
again, that is just my own views I could be far from wrong as I am new to flight sim. The reason why I use MSFS2020 as I feel it’s alot easier to just jump in a plane and fly. I tend to lean towards jetliners rather than GA.
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To be fair to MSFS though, Xp11 is much older, has had time to be refined even if it has the so called better flight model.
The utopia is study level aircraft in MSFS 2020, because in terms of streaming the world to your PC, it has no equal and likely never will unless Google / Amazon decide to create a flight sim.
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Exactly and I do have faith that it will come. I fully understand it’s still early days but seeing some of the issues people are having with zero explanation is quite frustrating along with the lack of communication.
Hopefully we see things settle down shortly and the realease of PMDGs 737!
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Well R Randazzo has hinted at the 757 coming.
Fingers crossed on that one!!
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Offtopic:
I guess depending on the aircraft XP11 is not that different. When i bought XP11 just for the lolz i never touched a flight sim before and i never cared about aviation. My first move was to buy the FlightFactor 777 for 50 bucks and after 2 days i was able to start cold & dark and go from gate to gate. Wasn’t really any science.
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The fact that pmdg cannot provide clear information about the issue makes me think it really is not anything Asobo should have to fix, but rather a shortcoming in PMDG’s knowledge of the platform or its programming tools
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