PMDG 737 Discussion (PC Version) (Part 2)

So, for a plane like the 737 (or the 777) flying a fully configured plan in the FMC, you basically want to let the plane do its thing, especially since you’re still learning how to run it. Take off in VNAV, let the FMC in the aircraft work the A/T system to manage thrust in the climb and cruise, and then let VNAV manage the descent. Simply dial in your desired lower altitude prior to TOD and the plane will descend itself and manage kinetic energy. If you’re not flying with ATC, dial in your FAF altitude (e.g., the altitude you would expect to acquire the glideslope for an ILS) and let the plane do its thing. If you’re too high or fast, the FMC will give you a message that drag is required, in which case you simply extend the speedbrakes to manage the speed. VNAV will get you to diale-in descent altitude with very little work on your part.

If your arrival has a vector leg, you may need to change to level change or V/S briefly during those segments, but generally VNAV works - it’s there to reduce pilot workload and manage aircraft energy in a controlled, intelligent manner. Take advantage of it! :slight_smile:

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I can imagine it is hard to tweak (probably better to leave it as is, if it changes the otherwise well tweaked cruise behavior…) - could also be idle power giving some excess residual thrust of course.

I do not fly the real 737, so I really wouldn’t know if anything should be changed i.e. I was just guessing that speed should stay fairly stable when descending at a rate of 3deg at idle.

I really want to fly the 737 800 combi model to fly air Inuit routes with in the PMDG 800 models

Dumb question: is there a way to show passengers entering / exiting, and sitting in the cabin of the PMDG 737-800 in MSFS 2024?

I have yet to try GSX but wanted to ask here first, so I’d know what to expect. Thanks for any guidance.

Only through GSX’s seated passengers option, which has historically been problematic - at least in 2020. I haven’t used that feature in ‘24.

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Not using the native passengers - PMDG have not included several front-end 2024-native features including passengers.

OK, thanks, just setting my expectations. I’m hoping this year, finally, MSFS can come alive a bit more, and addons will work together better.

Thanks for the info - looks like this much-hyped PMDG 737-800 for MSFS 2024 is just a “refresh” version, like the new Ryzen 7 9850X3D :smiley:

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Maybe someday they’ll add visible passengers, walkaround objects, preflight inspections, avionics that sync with the EFB, integration of their EFB within the default EFB or at least default LIDO chart support on their EFB, or Career mode…….. but I’m not holding my breath.

On Xbox series X I’ve noticed and posted about these odd in flight freezes which occurred on the PMDG B777s and the B737. The freezing on the 777’s started during the SU4 beta.
Someone on the Xbox thread fold me that installing the PMDG aircraft rather than streaming them would fix the problem (stop the freezes) and it definitely makes a huge difference - I do see micro freezes every now and again but not like before)… so it definitely pays to install the aircraft on Xbox - not sure whether it would work on PC but it might be worth a go?

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They are all your own very personal preferences actually. Some of us have different priorities to you. I wouldn’t expect - or “hold my breath” for a developer to tailor their aircraft to my own personal preferences… I might ask them politely fo consider implementing something if I felt strongly enough about it.

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It just goes to show how different we all are with regards to what is important to us in a product. The things you would like have almost no interest for me!

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Yep, I fully recognize that, and I think PMDG does as well as they’ve determined (or hoped) that those of us waiting for those features as a requirement of purchase aren’t a high enough number to move the needle. It’s just interesting that they’ve chosen to include none of the things that set 2024 apart from 2020 aside from under-the-hood changes that may or may not be noticed by the consumer.

I don’t think that’s right.

Which part? What is unique in 2024 that you can see/touch in the 737 and 777? I won’t deny that they’ve done a lot of work making the aircraft with the new SDK, the attachments system, likely overhauls to almost every element under the hood - but what you can you as an average user experience that you could not experience in 2020 with these products?

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Well, I could give you a list but it would be quite long. All I can say is that I’ve still got msfs2020 installed but not for much longer. I kept it installed to keep flying the PMDG aircraft - their experience meant a lot more to me than the new sim.
The B 737-800 feels to me like a new, much improved aircraft to the MSFS2020 version - to me at least - and it (and the superb PMDG B777F ) are taking up a lot of my flying hours.
I noticed the changes immediately. But I’m obviously interested in other aspects of flying than you are - none of the things you mentioned interest me in the slightest and I’ll never spend any time in career mode either, preferring to rack up my hours in free flight… so I guess you have a much different perspective from me.

I’m simply interested in taking full advantage of the things that set 2024 apart from 2020, that’s all.

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No, it really is in many parts a totally new release. You will see that we use many of the new FS2024 technologies in the product.

However, when we tested the option to include passengers, we found it to be rather buggy; it looked a bit comical and was not on par with the rest of the product. The biggest problem, however, was that it increased the memory use (and this affected the framerate). We were not able to keep the 60hz standard we tried to stick to, and on the Xbox S, it was truly problematic. Usability always trumps features for us. Gameplay features are always the first to be dropped. The kind of customers we aim for do not care much about some FS2024 features, such as career mode.

Besides, our strength is really in the systems, that is where we invested our resources and the resources of the system it runs on. You can see that reflected best in the feature list.

I hope this helps you better understand our choices.

Mathijs Kok
PMDG

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No, it really is almost a totally new release. You will see that we use many of the new FS2024 technologies in the product.

Well that is simply not true.

it looked a bit comical and was not on par with the rest of the product.

On par with what? The modelling and the texturing is mediocre at best and gets surpassed by every default aircraft - heck even freeware. It’s 2026 and people expect a full package (systems, features, audio, visuals) especially when developers charge rather high prices and not providing discounts for further airframes…

We were not able to keep the 60hz standard we tried to stick to, and on the Xbox S, it was truly problematic.

Provide a different build for XBox (S).

The kind of customers we aim for do not care much about some FS2024 features, such as career mode.

You are the only option for simmers who want to fly Boeing. They don’t really have other options and i’m sure a very big portion of your customer base would appreciate it if you added basic features from the new platform since you happily charged $30 for a basic compatibility update.

Besides, our strength is really in the systems, that is where we invested our resources and the resources of the system it runs on.

The systems have been done 20 years ago. Why not provide more than just current compatibility with the same package?

I hope this helps you better understand our choices.

It really doesn’t.

I would love an answer to the points brought up by this youtuber

Why arent PMDG honest in their communications with consumers? (Coffee, built from the ground up, liveries will be free (xbox 777) etc). Why is there the same jokes in the code if it was built from the ground up? Why are the same bugs present as was in the 2020 version?

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Thank you for taking the time to provide such a detailed explanation - it helps clarify the design choices and priorities.

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