Pmdg -800 and atc

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Not sure if this is the right area.
In sim update 10, is atc finally compatible with pmdg 737? I can’t seem to get it to work so it makes for fast descents on app.
Appreciate any help.
Thanks

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Moved to #third-party-addon-discussion:aircraft for PMDG product discussion.

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Has anyone had an issue with atc not working with PMDG aircraft. I thought sim update 10 was going to fix that. Using Simbrief for flight plan. 737-800 aircraft.
Anybody?
Please help….

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If I understand correctly, your problem is that the ATC does not clear you for descent early enough?

If so, that’s a known problem which has nothing to do with the Precision Manuals Development Group 737, the same thing happens on a regular basis with other planes - I’ve seen it with the FBW A320neo, too.

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Yes, thank you. You’re right. That’s exactly the problem. Using v nav with constraints the aircraft never makes it down to proper altitude. At TOD the only thing I can do is fully extend the speedbrakes and manually select vs and altitudes.
It’s good to know that Msfs is aware but this should have been taken care of in su10.
Thanks

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Aggressively using the “Request Cruising Altitude Decrease” option tends to work pretty well for me, but of course that is only available while you are in cruise (or the ATC thinks you are in cruise, at least). Once you’re in the STAR / approach, sometimes you just have to aggressively ignore the ATC.

But again, that’s not specific to the 737.

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Thing is, the PMDG 737’s (and many other third party planes like the CRJ) don’t interact with the world map, so the ingame ATC has nothing to go on.

If you’re using simbrief to plan, export your simbrief plan to both MSFS’s .PLN format, and the 737 formats.

Load the .PLN in the world map, then load in the plane, and load up your flightplan in there.

With a simbrief flightplan loaded in the world map, the ATC will be much better behaved, and will generally get the TOD correctly.

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Only problem with this approach is when you import simbrief plan to world map - you end up starting at the Runway not the gate. And when you change to start at the gate within the world map - the whole flight plan gets messed up by MSFS. I’ve found a tedious workaround to load SimBrief plan into LittleNavMap add SID/STARS in LittleNavMap (LMN) as they get removed when opening in LNM, and then select starting point at the gate and then export back to MSFS PLN file and then load into world map. But that too is error prone.

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select the gate from the dropdown menu, not from the map. That should keep the flight plan as it was.

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It works close to sufficient with loading the SimBrief .PLN from the world map (press Space first) and then picking a gate on the map, then changing SID and Approach to Direct. This transfers DEP and DEST and FL to the ATC in the sim. Once in the plane, I load the flight plan directly from SimBrief (FBW A320Neo) or the exported plan (PMDG 737). And yes, ATC will still assign the same RWY as always, no matter of the wind direction. It’s more variable on the landing rwy, but still does not match real life or weather in the sim.
During climb, new FLs are assigned on time, but you must stay on QNH until you reach 18.000 (US trans alt). If you switch to Std too early (in Europe, trans alt is lower), your altitude might not match what ATC is “seeing”.
In the 737, descent is often requested too early by ATC, while in the FBW A320, it comes almost on spot (3x rule).
hth, sailando

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Or just zoom in on the departure airport in the map and you’ll see all the available parking positions. Select whichever one floats your boat.

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Thanks to all who took the time to respond.
Putting plan. In world map and into the FMC worked.
ATC wasn’t perfect but much more helpful than before.
Thanks everyone.

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Not sure how, but this topic can be closed.
Thanks again.

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you can mark the post that answered your question best as ‘solution’, so that it’s easier to find for others with the same question. The post will be archived automatically after a period of inactivity

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This is so true. Made me laugh though.

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This isn’t the case all the time. Seems like on short hops say <250 miles it is the case where SID and STAR are close together and very short cruise. World map then seems to do a recalc or rejig when you change start to the gate.
On longer flights where SID and STAR are more spaced out with a longer cruise distance I have never seen the flightplan altered by the world map when picking a gate.

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that explains it my flights are usually on the shorter side.

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Every time I do a short flight in western US it is the worst area for seeing sid and star changes in world map when selecting a gate & there is a short cruise. Change flight length and it’s fine.
So KBUR to KLAS would have issues but KBUR to KPHX is fine for example. You can actually watch world map changing it and it is always the interface between star and cruise or sid and cruise. I think simbrief compensates for short cruise flights with sids stars but world map has issues and makes “corrections”.

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  1. MSFS ATC uses waypoint information from flight plans created by the World Map.
  2. PMDG and others cannot import or use any MSFS flight plans. They have their own flight plan format.
  3. MSFS cannot import the flight plan formats created by PMDG.
  4. Flight plans created by 3rd party developers often omit the waypoint information needed by MSFS.
  5. MSFS World Map flight planner might alter imported flight plans changing waypoints and other parts.

Possible solutions, alternatives, or workarounds:

  1. Add the capability to import PMDG flight plans into the MSFS World Map.
  2. Add the capability to import MSFS flight plans into PMDG and other aircraft.
  3. Use an alternative 3rd party ATC if not using the MSFS World Map flight planner.
  4. Have MSFS World Map flight planner add ATC info to flight plans imported into the World Map.
  5. Remove the ATC info in MSFS flight plans into a different file.
  6. Do not use MSFS ATC when flying PMDG and other aircraft that do not use MSFS flight plans. (Like #3 above)
  7. Add the capability for MSFS import flight plans and changes from aircraft FMS. Then send this info to MSFS ATC.