[PSA] XPForce force-feedback will be coming to FS2020!

[WSoltysik]

Hello!

I know that i already posted my issue on other thread - but maybe someone will know the solution..

Ms Sidewinder Force Feedback 2

Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 + XPForce Anyone struggle with reversed pitch axis? XPForce works fine but pitch axis is inverted - when i push my stick forward, XPForce is pushing it even more. In MSFS settings my pitch axis had to be inverted. If i use it in normal mode (not inverted - stick forward = nose up) - the forces are in right direction. Roll Axis works fine. Maybe i had to try reverse MSFFB2 in windows somehow? To not reverse it in MSFS ?

[smitty9792]

can someone post a snippet from their Config.xpfc (don’t post your license info!) where the axes are configured? when i try to change the axis definitions, the software hangs. I’m hoping i can just fill out the blanks below so it’ll be set up already.

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

[WSoltysik]

Same here - when i try to remap any axis the XFP is crashing

[DocOle]

Hi everyone, just revived my Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2. FF works well with IL2.
Although I do think that there is some force feedback delivered by MSFS 2020 since the individual planes feel a bit different and in some situations the force of the stick changes. Though, no runway shaking.
So I bought XPForce that makes a huge difference.
But the joy did not last long, after adding a Thrustmaster TPR to my configuration.
MSFS crashes to desktop shortly after starting with XPForce.
Without the TPR plugged in, MSFS starts normally via XPForce.
After plugging in the TPR again MSFS exits to desktop.
Anyone using the same combination?
Any ideas for a solution? Thanks!

[bernard1954]

My Global_xpfc:
[XPForce]
AutostartSim=1
MSFSCommandLine=
StickShaker=1
YokeFollowsAutopilot=0
AutopilotYokeSmoothed=0
UseAltTrim=1
WheelVibGain=4540
WheelShimmyGain=4540
FrictionGain=4394
GearBumpGain=7071
GearTurbGain=1000
AirTurbGain=1960
SpeedBrakeTurbGain=3384
PitchGain=10404
RollGain=10202
YawGain=10303
PitchExaggeration=105
RollExaggeration=104
YawExaggeration=104
AccelGain=5000
CenterGain=4899

And Asobo_C172SP_AS1000.fscfg

Created by XPForce for Flight Simulator 2020 as a substitute for the encrypted
; configuration file for Asobo_C172sp_AS1000.

; Will be updated when a flight ends with actual numbers gathered from the running
; simulator, if the following value is set to 1. Set this to 0 if you want to either
; manually set the values, or prevent further adjustments.

[AllowAutoUpdate]
allow=1

[stall_warning]
stick_shaker=0
[hydraulic_system]
normal_pressure=0.000000
[airplane_geometry]
fly_by_wire=0
elevator_trim_limit=28.0
aileron_trim_limit=0.0
rudder_trim_limit=0.0
elevator_up_limit=28.0
elevator_down_limit=28.0
aileron_up_limit=20.3
aileron_down_limit=15.0
rudder_limit=15.9

[DocOle]

@smitty9792

Config.xpfc

[XPForce]
RemainActive=2
UpdateFrequency=0
LastUpdate=19371
DInput8RaceCondition=100
License= …
MasterDevice=SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick
UpdateAvailable=Up to date.

[SideWinder Force Feedback 2 Joystick]
PitchAxis=
RollAxis=
YawAxis=
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=
SetMasterButton=

Nothing configured as well, but it works (without the TPR)

[smitty9792]

Thanks @DocOle & @bernard1954 i was able to get the XPForce to save a config with a different assignment after the VPForce dev fixed some AMD USB issues. The format is plain text for the axis assignments, with blanks for default usage.

Right now i only have the pedals hooked up and it works great!

[VPforce Rhino FFB Rudder]
PitchAxis=None
RollAxis=None
YawAxis=X Axis
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=None
SetMasterButton=

[RPthreenine]

Are there any infos on the pedals avaliable? I assume they are self-built?

[smitty9792]

Yep, DIY FFB, using Saitek pedals as a base and VPForce kit.

here’s all the parts i used, about $60 USD total
Nema34 bracket - Amazon.com
Pulleys - Amazon.com
Cable stops - Amazon.com
Cable - Amazon.com
Winding hub - Amazon.com

[RPthreenine]

Nice! Thanks for the list and the picture! Are you satisfied with the result? Worth building?

[smitty9792]

absolutely! its nice to go from no resistance while taxiing and very stiff in the air. these pedals arent the best for it, as the plastic rollers still have some friction when pulled like this. probably the metal/ball bearing pedals of this type would be nicer. Im planning on TPRs as an upgrade, and will eventually adapt these parts to pull on the rear crossbar.

[AviatorDown8227]

Very interesting.
A tutorial would be great.

[erasam]

I have just installed the XPForce tool for my Microsoft Sidewinder FF 2 but when it launches MSFS the SIM hangs at startup

[skypickl3]

When I go to

The Hangar

I get
Threat found This web page may contain dangerous content that can provide remote access to an infected device, leak sensitive data from the device or harm the targeted device. Threat: HTML/ScrInject.B trojan Access to the web page has been blocked. Your computer is safe.

My antivirus is eset.

[CitrusAnt318417]

I have been using XPForce with a VPForce (Rhino) kit and custom gimbal.
Ground effects are actually really nice. But I’m wondering if you could add engine vibration as an effect as well ?
Also, I don’t seem to get any effect with “Stick Shaker”. I thought this would induce a shake during stall, but I don’t get anything.
Hopefully this is still being developed. Shows lots of potential. And is in fact the only solution for MSFS!!

[RPthreenine]

@smitty9792

Right now i only have the pedals hooked up and it works great!

Is there a way to connect two or more FFB devices? Right now I have a Sidewinder FFB2 in use and am planning to build the rudder pedals. Any ideas how that would work?

[smitty9792]

Yes but it would crash if i tried to use the interface to set up. just edit the config file like this:

[VPforce Rhino FFB Joystick]
PitchAxis=Y Axis
RollAxis=X Axis
YawAxis=None
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=None
SetMasterButton=


[VPforce Rhino FFB Rudder]
PitchAxis=None
RollAxis=None
YawAxis=X Axis
SetTrimButton=
ClearTrimButton=None
SetMasterButton=

[jimkeir]

I’ve recently made a load of changes to support multiple devices better. Currently that’s only in a test build for X-Plane but there will be an update for FS2020 at some point, just as soon as I get some time to properly test it.

@CitrusAnt318417

Also, I don’t seem to get any effect with “Stick Shaker”. I thought this would induce a shake during stall, but I don’t get anything.

The stick shaker effect only does anything if the aircraft has one!

@skypickl3

I get Threat found This web page may contain dangerous content

I’ve just run an external scan on three different services and come up with totally clean on two, and a 3% risk on the other probably because there are executables available to download. It seems that this particular warning in eset is notorious for false-positives, triggering on any compressed javascript.

[smitty9792]

@jimkeir

The stick shaker effect only does anything if the aircraft has one!

Small planes should feel a vibration effect on stall without a stick shaker. Big planes have shaker devices because you cant feel it through the hydraulics.

[RPthreenine]

Nice! Thank you for your efforts!

I’m thinking about trying to build FFB Rudder Pedals with the Sidewinder Force Feedback Wheel. You write, that almost all FFB devices work, as long as they work in Windows - did I understand this correctly?