[RELEASED] Miltech Simulations MH-60, in Partnership with Blackbird!

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There’s a saying – EXCEL accepts everything. In life, numbers are one thing, and reality is another, and not everything theory suggests is true.

Unfortunately, I disagree. Not everyone pays attention to everything necessary. For one person, a wine will be okay (because they have lower expectations and different experience), but for a connoisseur, for example, the wine will be spoiled.

As you can see, there are many reports of poor scale in the MV-22 and C-17. Speaking of newer products, it seems to be the C-17, right? Where the scale is even worse and larger. The term “Lego Man” didn’t just appear in Miltech products (I’ve seen this term online). It’s also not a scale issue in MSFS 2024 or 2020. The scale in the simulator is well-defined, which is respected by most developers. There are some differences (at least to an acceptable level), but it’s not like in Miltech products (at least I’m talking about the ones I have). If the scale is good, it’s due to incorrect ZOOM/FOV settings (which are hard-coded in the model). The user has no control over this, so you can’t adjust the scale, as all objects will be reduced in size. Additionally, I have the impression that you haven’t personally tested MSFS2024 in VR and Scale word, because you would know that this option is now bugged since release and doesn’t work properly :).

As I wrote, I’m willing to help (PM me) with testing and perhaps ideas (maybe put me in touch with Kalong?), as Miltech makes cool models, but they’re useless in VR unless you like being a dwarf. It’s not just the headset either – I have a Quest Pro now, I’ve tested Miltech add-ons on the Quest 3, and I had Reverb before. It’s always the same.

On the plus side, Blackbird, with whom I collaborated, also worked on the MH-60. Their defualt CH-47, which I tested, has a good scale in VR in MSFS2024, and everything is fine (so there’s some hope, but the question is who actually compiled the model?), but once I get into the MV-22, I lose the desire to fly it. I don’t want to make that mistake, unless there’s a return option if I’m not satisfied?

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The model was primarily created by the team at Blackbird, and as shown above, it is dimensionally accurate based on the datapoints we have. Ultimately the priority is dimensional accuracy over VR perspective - it is technically incorrect to model based on perspective.

I personally haven’t used VR recently due to lack of accessibility to equipment at this time - this was delegated to our internal QA team and Testers, who have approved recent releases in this regard. They may be able to comment further on this matter. Please also note that Zoom/FOV can be easily modified on Camera.cfg, by changing the InitialZoom and InitialXyz values. Modifying these values have an effect on the 2D cockpit, though.

Looking at the camera.cfg value in the MH60, we decided on a value of InitialZoom =0.500 for 2D Cockpit which may be a bit high for VR - you may want to lower it to 0.35 aprox - and adjust to your linking. The C17 does also have quite a high value (InitialZoom=0.647398) adjusted for 2D - I see how this may be problematic as modifying the cameracfg on stock aircraft is more complicated - I’ll see if we can do something on this aircraft.

If you wish to proceed, you may purchase on our website, and if you are disatisfied you may contact us via email.

EDIT - Just learned that we can create VR-Specific definitions for cameras, to avoid affecting the 2D view when modifying InitialZoom. Will take a look. You may contact us via Email to provide feedback on the VR-specific camera configs, if you wish.

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I recommend the MH60 in VR also, very accurate for not being a laser measurement (hope they rent-buy one in their next planes), if you think the CH47 is ok, you´ll think that this is even better, and nothing to do with the C17 in cabin scale in VR…, don´t worry about that haha, and I hope they solve it.

I am agree also that resizing the world or zooming isn´t the solution in VR when only a portion of the scenery is the wrong, that is to change the problem to other place.

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We do have laser scanners, however, it’s generally out of reach to scan an operational aircraft. We were very restricted with the MH60, only photos allowed, and some areas were no-nos. Other aircraft we just couldn’t access at all - like the C17 or MV22.

Generally, historical aircraft in museums can be fully scanned. Anything operational is off the table.

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Thanks for the explanation. Given that this is a collaboration between companies, there’s a chance everything will be fine in VR, and BB products have a good scale for me.

Thanks for the suggestion, too. Given this, it’s a pretty good idea. Admittedly, there’s a sale on the Marketplace right now (-25%), but not on the Miltech website, but I’ll consider which option to choose, since the reviews are good, maybe I’ll take a chance on Marketplace :grin: .

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Okay, the model has been purchased. There are no scale issues in VR :heart: . Everything is as it should be, so it’s a relief and satisfaction that there are no unwanted surprises. The cockpit looks very good in VR. It’s a bit demanding and you can feel it takes up more frames, unfortunately, but I also saw earlier that a Marketplace purchase can be transferred and get a Light version, easier on the computer. The model also has a great flight model! A very good purchase.

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3 questions (I’m still reading the manual so I don’t know everything yet) :slight_smile:

1/ There’s a problem with the EFB tablet. If you take it (and display it as a 2D image), the 3D tablet model from the cockpit doesn’t completely disappear. It flickers. This appears to be a bug.

2/ In some Youtube videos I hear a female voice counting down the height (5 feet, 10 feet, 20 feet, etc.) how do I activate this?

3/ When I start the helicopter from cold and dark mode, I’ve noticed that I don’t hear anything from ATC, only the microphone activation sound (crackle). I can hear my own voice, and the ATC window broadcasts messages, such as the transponder code for example, but I can’t hear them. If the helicopter is in hot mode from takeoff, everything works fine, and I can hear ATC sounds and speeches. What am I doing wrong?

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The Developers cannot offer product support within these forums.
You will have to enquire via their support network, Discord is your best option.
Link is in the same place you got your manual.

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At the moment, these are not questions for support, let’s not confuse two existing things - a forum for comments and questions and actual support if it is only dependent on the developer.

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“3rd Party Support/Bug Reporting should be sent to the designated support funnels of each 3rd Party Developer, and should not be conducted in these forums.”
Taken from the forum rules of conduct

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Asking other users for help via the forums is not the same as asking the developer for formal support. I don’t know why this is controversial.

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Asking for help on how to use a product is not the same as reporting bugs and issues to a developer.
Asking forum members for assistance in using a product is permitted.
Using these forums as a means to resolve bugs is not.

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1/ This is a know bug introduced with SU4. Miltech was looking for a solution, without success. The issue is escalated to MS/Asobo as far as I know. You can see the copilot and also the pilot model flicker. Not all the time, but with longer runtime it appears on my side. Round about after 15-20 min.
Sometimes right from the start.

2/ ■■■■■■■■ Betty can be managed here: Keyset/Comm/AUD CONFIG/ ( Keyset | Miltech Simulations MH60 | Miltech Simulations Documentation Hub )
From their discord:
”Its been deactivated for normal flights, only active on VERTREP operations, as per NATOPS”
This said I think it is deactivated overall, @everybodyeverybody feel free to correct me if I am wrong

3/ I guess your issue is volume, try to turn the volume up, maybe this does fix your issue.
Pic from their discord

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This is a MSFS Bug, under investigation: https://devsupport.flightsimulator.com/t/efb-flickering-in-and-out-of-visibility-when-the-user-detaches-tablet-with-tab/17475

This was removed in V1.0.1 due to general feedback, and it’s now only active on VERTREP operations (eg. when a Sling load is selected on the Keyset)

Make sure the COMM Volume knobs are set to 100% volume, as described above

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You’re wrong. If you don’t know the rules of Forums and why they even exist, here’s a short quote from Wikipedia for you:

“An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion platform where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages.”

A forum is primarily about exchanging experiences between users. What you’re quoting concerns specific support, most often related to technical issues that users are unable to resolve. A forum isn’t just about posting screenshots and videos and mere expressions of delight. It’s about a real exchange of experiences between users, providing assistance, sharing information, but also discussing problems to assess their scale and whether they are individual or widespread. Support has different rules.

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@CorrelateTuba06 and @SylvesterRocket Thank you! :flexed_biceps: :heart:

btw. it works.

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:trophy: MH60 Nominated for the Flight Sim Awards! :trophy:

We’re thrilled to announce that the Miltech Simulations MH60, in partnership with Blackbird Simulations has been nominated for the Hover Award at the Flight Sim Awards! Thank you for being part of this journey, none of this would be possible without this amazing community.

On top of that, a huge congratulations to Echo 19, who crafted the sounds for the MH-60, on their nomination for the Rising Star Award!

Your support means everything to us, and we’d love your vote!
Vote here: Flight Sim Awards 2026

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Will do. :heart_eyes:

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The choice is obvious to me :wink: and of course I’m not suggesting anything. :rofl:

Btw. The RDR tab isn’t working in the Tango version, and it seems like there should be a weather radar there. Is there any chance of adding a weather radar someday?

  1. Weather Radar – Superior range, ground mapping and weather analysis.
    • Reduces life cycle costs more than four-fold • 25% reduction in diversions and
    earlier detection reduces delays due to bad weather

Just illustrative image:

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Glass display panels staying black and not working at all. Not sure why, they used to always turn on, i have played around with them and the screens all stay black.