Hopefully…the UH-60 Variants..are coming in the Future..
Mine isn’t. But that won’t stop me…
T-4 Days!
Final Livery List:
MH60 SIERRA
“White Hawk” Marine One
087, HSC-6 “Screamin Indians” USN
10, HSC-85 “Firehawks” USN
166323, HSC-3 “Merlins” USN
24, HSC-26 “Chargers” USN
3207, Royal Thai Navy
37, HSC-28 “Dragon Whales” USN
565, 193 Squadron, IAF
610, HSC-9 “Tridents”, CAG, USN
614, HSC-11 “Dragonslayers”, USN
65, HSC_21 “Blackjacks”, USN
70, HSC-21 “Blackjacks”, CAG, USN
7008, 4th (455th) TFW, ROCAF
HSC-2, “Fleet Angels”, CAG, USN
Milviz/Blackbird Digital Camo
MH60 ROMEO
24-0801, Royal Korean Navy
266, 123 Squadron, Royal Singaporean Air force
425, HSM-41 “Seahawks”, Naval Aviators 100 year heritage
51, HSM-51 “Warlords”, USN
001, 5h NAS, Armada Española
700, HSM-79 “Griffins”, CAG, USN
704, HSM-75 “Wolf Pack”, USN
710, HSM-46 “Grandmasters”, USN
711 NAS, SAR, Royal Navy
8453, Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force
H48-022, Royal Australian Navy
IN753, INAS 334, Bharatiya Nausena
N-971, EKSADRILLE 723, Royal Danish Air Force
TCB-72, Turk Deniz Kuvvetleri
ΠN-53, NAS Kotroni-Marathonas, Hellenic Navy
MH60 TANGO
6025, Cape Cod, “Sharkmouth”, USCG
6027, Clearwater, USCG
6034, Kodiak, USCG
6036, Sitka, “Alaskan Flag”, USCG
6040, San Diego, USCG
6042, Cape Cod, “100 years”, USCG
6052, Elizabeth City, USCG
RCAF SAR
HMCG UK
Is the Xbox marketplace release confirmed too?
The marine bias of the MH-60 notwithstanding, mine will be spending a lot of its life flying in mountains, so I’m really pleased to see the topographic map on the MFDs in the cockpit screenshot above.
The in-cockpit EFB is also welcome. As a VR flier, I find the toolbar EFB to be usable but monstrously awkward.
Looking forward to having a rival to HPG’s H145 and H160 for a top-end helicopter with a decent autopilot (I’m very fond of my CH-47 but I think you’ve said yourselves that its autopilot is a work in progress).
Much appreciate the fictional RCAF SAR livery!
The ASW variant would also make a nice stand in for the RCAF cyclone, hopefully something that will show up on flightsim.to eventually.
Hey everyone!
I know a lot of you have been waiting for confirmation on the MS Marketplace release for PC and Xbox - here’s the latest update:
During final approval testing yesterday, we ran into one blocking issue related to the encryption process, which caused the aircraft’s activation module to fail. These are only caught last minute as encryption only occurred Monday before release in this particular case. We considered skipping encryption to meet the original July 31st release date - but in the end, we’ve decided to delay the Marketplace release by about a week to protect the content properly against misuse.
This only affects the Marketplace (PC/Xbox) release. It has been decided that Xbox/PC Marketplace release will be delayed, approximately one week, until the issue is resolved. These are unfortunately the unexpected situations that may occur when releasing on Marketplace.
Good news: Xbox performance is looking excellent, no issues there!
The PC version on MiltechSimulations.com, BlackbirdSim.com, and iniBuilds is unaffected and still releasing on July 31st (time TBA).
In the meantime, be sure to check out the great content some of our media partners are creating!
Thanks for your patience and support as we wrap this up!
Oh, I know what I will be doing next weekend!
[Note: Several of the points made by this person known as me from the video have been clarified by Miltech below so disregard concerns about the flight model, it is as real as the real thing!]
I just saw a preview video from Matthew Crawford that is a guy who is very good flying helis.
It turned my expectations from “very high” to “oh well, it can be fun”.
From the video the flight model seems to be quite strange, if not completely wrong, there is no need for anti-torque pedals on takeoff, ok you can say the stability augmentation of the heli makes that unnecesary but in a few online vids you can see the pilots stepping on the pedals for takeoff and furthermore with all SAS turned off still there was no torque, so in the best case this is hardcoded and not even linked to SAS.
He commented turning this Heli was a very strange feeling, maybe the flight model is right and he is just not used to this kind of aircraft.
AP worked strange, there is no lateral navigation, maybe the real thing is like this but it seems strange.
There were some really awesome tidbits:
The call outs are very very nice, AP is quite complete, the crew hover mode is awesome, it keeps altitude very nicely, search light is fully operative and really nice.
My worst fear is that this is yet another product dumbed down to appeal to more general audiences, I hope it is not the case but Miltech does have a record of taking some liberties over the real aircraft and making them less realistic for the masses.
We’ll see how it goes in a couple of days.
Luis - Was fully expecting your comment over here!
The problem is that you are approaching the product with expectations that are just not the reality of the MH60, due to perhaps lack of knowledge of the platform and lack of experience with the aircraft in-sim (only limited to drawing conclusions from a video):
- MH60 is an actively stabilized helicopter. The Stability Augmentation System will cancel out automatically several aerodynamic effects such as the torque generated by the main rotor. This is not a Training helicopter, but a Military / SAR platform with a lot of automation. The goal is to have the most stable, effortless platform to fly for the mission, not have a difficult aircraft with traps and tricky to fly. That’s where engineers basically get at work to erase basic flaws, by either boosting hydraulically the controls, or integrating assists to the pilot. However SAS will only DAMPEN this effect, on high collective there will be some torque to cancel out. Pedal is also required to rotate the aircraft along its vertical axis, so you may be just seeing that in action. On cruise and stable altitude, very little to no pedal is necessary.
- Our flight model is not only modeled based on the NATOPS manuals, but also validated by over 6 pilots of the type (and similar models - Tangos from the Coast Guard, former UH pilots and current MH pilots)
- The comments about turning the helicopter were done with full autopilot engaged. When autopilot is engaged, the HDG HOLD mode is enabled, which will hold current heading regardless of roll attitude by automatically compensating. As such, pedal is required (along with roll) to do a coordinated turn and successfully change the heading. This to say: heading hold ONLY disengages with pedal input.
- No lateral navigation, or heading select modes exist on the real aircraft. This is true to the MH60 as per NATOPS manuals. I do not know why, that’s a question for the manufacturer - but it is modeled as per the manuals.
- Torque with SAS off is in fact modeled! however, as soon as you add pedal, you will cancel out that torque.. which is exactly what happens on the video. In any case, SAS OFF is probably not a great idea, and considered an emergency in real life.
That being said, I do appreciate your feedback and I’m happy to say this is, by far, our best product to date. However, let’s continue to manage expectations: for the price you get 3 variants and 4 sceneries. At this price point (and in this simulator), military aircraft are not 1:1 true to life, “Study Level”. The aircraft is complex and has been modeled in depth, but has been simplified in various areas for accessibility, practicality or due to simulator restrictions… and frankly, for fun and appeal to the broad audience. If you are looking for higher fidelity or complexity, this is not the pricepoint nor the simulator - DCS exists for that reason.
Edit: Forgot to add, the video was also recorded with “Automatic force trim” enabled. This is an assist function created to assist users with self-centering hardware (which accounts for over 95% of people) and/or don’t want to worry about operating the force trim. This functions as a “fly by wire” of sorts, where the aircraft will attempt to hold the last attitude commanded. No different to some of the functions you may find in DCS helicopters. This can be deactivated if you wish, and have a more hands-on experience. Drawing conclusions before any documentation or manuals are available leads to missing many details such as this
Edit 2: Also to mention, the video you are referring to only scratched the surface of features included with this product. Did not go through weapons, sonobuoys/sonar, hoist, sling loading, mission component and integration with Mission Hub, different MFD pages, and so on.
Howdy!
Thanks a lot for the explanations!
I think everybody is aware I was just commenting a video and not the product as I don’t have it yet, so we should all take it at face value, my impressions on what Matthew said about the product in ONE video.
Having said that your feedback about how the real heli behaves is reassuring and the strange behavior in turning is quite logical if AP is engaged, that makes a lot of sense.
What I don’t like is that you are using a lot the concept of “what you get for the price” and “not study level” because it makes me think there are a lot of simplifications or omissions compared to the real thing. The problem is I don’t know what are those simplifications some of them would not bother me some of them would automatically make me stay away. Since I don’t know those simplifications I asked about what I saw in the vid.
Maybe you can let us know what are those compromises so we can take a more educated decision on release?
As I said in my previous comment I saw a LOT of very cool things in that video about the product and I’m sure it will be a success.
Thank you for your transparency!
I’m just starting to dig into this one and I was pleasantly surprised at how good the FM actually is.
This is a very highly automated machine. I felt the same way when I first flew the UH-60L mod in DCS. It’s very different than the Huey, OH6A or Gazelle.
Similar to the HPG H160 in the sim. It’s a very stable and easy to fly platform, but the underlying aerodynamic effects are there and simulated well.
Wow. Reading this from you is an automatic purchase for me!
Certainly the case!
- We have not modeled any of the maintenance or diagnostic pages as none of those have a purpose or are in any way modeled in MSFS.
- This is an active service military helicopter, and as such its mission system and sonar systems are entirely classified and undocumented. In fact, when we surveyed the aircraft in person, those were the two things completely off limits, no pictures, no questions. We did our best extrapolating from publicly available information.
- FLIR and Weapons have been greatly simplified due to platform limitations and usability. Locking into targets is not possible, and FLIR does not render weather or SimObjects.
- No failure system. Beyond scope.
- Tango variant is offerred as “External and Cabin Only” - uses the same avionics suite as Romeo and Sierra; instead of the CAAS. This variant was added last-minute due to popular demand.
- Keyset is not 1:1 accurate to the real aircraft. Has been modified for usability as a configuration tool for MSFS attachments and different customization options. Subpages have been modified for usability in sim.
- Probably other things, don’t have a full list (nor time) to go through every little detail.
However, we have:
- IMO, the best implementation of FLIR possible in MSFS. FLIR and its corresponding image on MFDs move with the camera, up to certain degree, including zoom.
- First implementation of sonar, sonobuoys and sonodipper in MSFS, functional with Mission Hub.
- Comprehensive systems with several pages modeled as per available information.
- Search Patterns
- Weapon system with Hellfires and Torpedos
- Functional winch with Mission Hub for SAR
- External Loadouts
- Full custom Autopilot system
- Virtual Crew Chief
- And many more goodies.
So we are back to the question - we must understand and manage expectations. Are you looking to fix the engines, receive damage when shot or spend thousands of hours studying systems? In that case, no military aircraft in MSFS will satisfy your expectations. Military Helicopters in MSFS are a niche within a niche within a niche, and we have gone as far as possible and feasible wiht this project.
Thanks! In fact it is a very similar helicopter in terms of SAS and Automation, same principle: reduce workload on the pilot, so he can focus on what’s important.
Some good closeup FLIR and Search Pattern action over here. Two of my favourite functions that have not been showcased enough
Ohhhh buddy, I am buying this as soon as it releases on Market Place. Looks amazing. Also appreciate the public interaction and openness from LikedHare.
You should really make that list clear to everybody, I think it really adds more than what detracts from the product.
Reading your list I see nothing that is a stopper for me, the most important things are done and I’m ok not having failures.
The FLIR really looks impressive, this is probably going to be the best modern Heli for MSFS 2024 and that is a huge hit.