That would be tough considering there’s no code in the sim to dynamically reallocate weights at the W&B menu screen - and since the jet offers three different seating configs. it’s better for the user to assign weights as they want.
If this were a single incident, it wouldn’t be a big deal. Unfortunately, I’m guessing that it’s not (based on so many familiar aircraft in the original trailer). So yeah, if 2024 comes around with several 3rd party planes I already paid for, I will have reservations about paying for them again. I’ll be happy to be proven wrong as the release approaches. Time will tell.
I am really excited to hear the vision jet will be implemented into MSFS2024. Congrats to FlightFX dev team! I’ll be stoked to see their code/design implemented into the new SR22T G7 in the future!
I would rather see the vision jet remain on MSFS2020 Marketplace. Possibly with a disclaimer that it will be coming soon to 2024 like others have mentioned. Or even at a discount. This is an amazing aircraft and add-on. The FlightFX team should continue selling on the marketplace to those interested in supporting them until 2024 releases this fall. 
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You won’t have to pay for them again, because they’ll be included in 2024. 
If you meant that you won’t buy other payware for 2024 on the chance it might be included, in say MSFS 2028, well, that’s certainly a take. I’m a happy owner of the VisionJet and in my opinion it’s still a good value right now, even knowing that I could have it in a few months for “free” (actually the cost of whatever edition of 2024 the VJ ends up in). If anything, owning the VJ for 2020 means I’m in even less of a hurry to spend the money on 2024.
I wouldn’t consider that aspect anymore than the full retail price of the super premium whatever MSFS 2024.
Can’t BELIEVE people sweat the game cost considering it’s not unusual to spend over $4000 in addition to the $125 game itself. Seems petty. As is any addition you enjoy, this is a huge time investment.
I just got back from Disney where you pay thousands per day and riding Tron will cost your family $200+ above everything else just to get on a 30 second coaster.
I could give two if a $30 add on that gives me dozens if not hundreds of hours of enjoyment is ‘free’ next year.
Don’t get me wrong, I can name each and every cheap ■■■■ add on I’ve hated buying. But the Vision ain’t one of them.
If you want it now and wait until it’s ‘free’ you’ll be sorry you missed out that long. Highly doubt it’s going to be on game pass edition.
Heck, if you’ve bought any extra hardware to play a flying or driving game, you always buy the super deluxe premium car pass whatever edition.
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It’s not “free”. You’re paying money for the package and this is part of that package. So yes, those of us who have already paid for it are paying at least some money for it again. Like I said though, if this is a single incident, it’s not that big of a deal, though it still doesn’t sit well. My concern is that this will not be a single incident, based on the original MSFS 2024 footage that we saw. We have no idea yet how many planes will be included and which ones, but there’s certainly multiple aircraft in that footage that potentially are the same as ones we already own.
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In the case of the Vision Jet, I think I saw something about the inclusion being initiated from the Cirrus side; that they were so impressed with the sim that they wanted it included. No doubt this is a two way street, but without the support of manufacturers by way of access and licensing, it is hard to have excellent models. We might be glad that our game attracts such attention, in this new era of airlines and Boeing getting so much negative press, etc?
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I often thought why Cirrus is pretty well represented in a lot of sims these days, like XP12 has both SF50 and SR22 built in. They are simplistic and easy to fly and well modeled. I’d guess as well that the company wanted to promote their products in the digital world.
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Not sure that’s entirely true. Sure it probably helps but there are examples of very nice aircraft without manufacturer involvement. You don’t need a manufacturer to get access to aircraft or people with experience on type.
I think every time this MSFS 2024 conversion pops up, a point that i find to be often overlooked and ignored is that MSFS 2024 is a completely new sim. Meaning that your mindset, wallet, approach, expectations and optimism/pessimism (getting philosophical there i know) should be all reset to point 0.
At least that’s how I am going to approach it.
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No but it makes it dozens of times easier. Without manufacturer support, you have to find a type owner, pay for time to 3D render, get closeup images, run the plane to get sound samples, fly the plane to get a sense of handling and cabin experience etc. Accessing manuals and other tech documents that are held behind paywalls only for actual owners is a great help too. (Disclaimer - I am an FFX Beta Tester).
Edited to add - the biggest gain to Official Manufacturer Support is Legal Peace of Mind. Most developers have to operate under the radar and not infringe too closely upon the actual IP. If they’re lucky, the maker turns a blind eye as long as that remains the case. If they’re unlucky, an Immediate Cease and Desist Letter is issued. Being able to carry forward with full support gives comfort that all the people hours and sunk money to date is not in vain.
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A perfect example of this is the fact that the same dev’s Honda HA420 doesn’t actually have the name Honda anywhere. The virtual version has “HJet” on the engine nacelles, while the real thing has the “HONDA” name.
FSR500. 
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That’s simply not true; it’s been updated majorly from the previous version but it’s not a “completely new sim”, nor was the 2020 version a “completely new sim” but a major update to the FSX codebase.
It is a new sim with a brand new installer, brand new graphics, brand new fleet, brand new menu, brand new missions, brand new engine. That’s how i view “brand new”.
An update is when you keep your old exe file and update it.
I acknowledged that it helps but i doubt it’s an order of magnitude easier because of it. You still have to do a lot of that with manufacturers support. Each relationship will be different but I can tell you that in lots of cases manufacturers won’t have all what a dev needs. 3D scans may still be needed, sounds recorded etc When it obviously really becomes useful is for aircraft with relatively little info around such as new aircraft or those with limited numbers.
What do you mean terms differently from other people? What’s with this snarky comment?!!!
Every “new” i mentioned in my reply to you is legit. Are there any other meanings to “new”?
Anyway, i hope you continue having a marvelous day and yes i hope we all enjoy MSFS 2024 as well.
No, but what they do have is made freely available, including actual performance information, technical details, the things that make or break a more detailed aircraft sold on an increasingly competitive market. Every advantage counts now. It still requires gathering real O/O input to get it right and then fine-tuned, but not having Manufacturer access is becoming more a liability with recognizable brands. FFX isn’t the only one, ask Raul and his relationship with TL.
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Ok folks - let’s get back to the Vision Jet please. #discussion-hub:msfs-2024 subforum exists for a reason. Thank you.
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Think the Ballestic chute and safe return features will get programmed. Be great if you could do safe return and autopilot would take you to nearest suitable airport.