RNP08Z at LOWI missing

[GlossyBead95617]

ISSUE DESCRIPTION

Vision jet in career mode arriving from south east to LOWI authorized by ATC with RNPZ 08 but I found Jet RNPV 08. But then checking in free mode at RWY 26 at LOWI also with TBM 930 the procedure there isn’t. I check in free mode in same way, at rwy 26 LOWI, with pmdg 737 and Cessna 172 and I find the procedure. How is possible Cessna 172 ( G1000) has this procedure and Vision Jet and TBM 930 higher class not?

FREQUENCY OF ISSUE

I have tried four time and four time happne what over is descipted

REPRODUCTION STEPS

Please list clear steps you took in order to help our test team reproduce the same issue:

1. Vision jet on LOWI RWY 26 search RNPZ 08 approach in Garmin procedure, not found

2. TBM930 on LOWI RWY 26 search RNPZ 08 approach in Garmin procedure, not found

3. PMDG 738 on LOWI RWY 26 search RNPZ 08 in CDC approach procedure RW08, found

4. Cessna 172 on LOWI RWY 26 search RNPZ 08 approach in Garmin procedure, found

YOUR SETTINGS

Navigraph says that is not their fault and to talk to Asobo:

What peripherals are you using, if relevant: not relevant

[BigCow74]

Based on the description and the planes cited, I would guess this is because the RNP Z approach is “Authorization Required” so if a plane is not approved to fly AR, the avionics should omit it.

Not all planes accurately simulate this. Sometimes a plane not AR approved will still show it.

[BigCow74]

So, I guess to finish this off properly, the only issue in that list is the C172. It is not AR approved, so it shouldn’t show that approach.

Well, and ATC should know that, but in MSFS, ATC is not very good.

[Habu2u2]

Might want to see my comments on his post about RNAV 26 AR showing up too (it’s also labeled rwy08). Looks like there’s an issue with this approach in the 172 for some reason.
Regards

RNPZ 08 LOWI missing

I am using FS2024 with Vision jet in career mode arriving from south east to LOWI authorized by ATC with RNPZ 08 but I found Jet RNPV 08. But then checking in free mode at RWY 26 at LOWI also with TBM 930 the procedure there isn’t. I check in free mode in same way, at rwy 26 LOWI, with pmdg 737 and Cessna 172 and I find the procedure. How is possible Cessna 172 ( G1000) has this procedure and Vision Jet and TBM 930 higher class not? Thank you very much

[GimbalAxis]

I believe that Working Title (who build the avionics for the default aircraft) filter out RNP AR approaches that an aircraft is not suited to fly.

And, Career Mode ATC probably shouldn’t authorize an approach not suited for an aircraft, and that would be on Asobo.

I’m not sure why the RNP AR Approach would show up in the C172 - it’s probably not supposed to, are you sure it’s not the RNP Visual Approach ?

[BigCow74]

@Habu2u2

an issue with this approach in the 172

Yes. Back in the AAU days of MSFS2020, Working Title fixed a few of the planes that were incorrectly allowing AR approaches (like the G3000 in the TBM) but not all Garmin’s were fixed. The C172 wasn’t addressed if I remember correctly.

[BigCow74]

Most of the posts from back then after the fixes were “Hey you broke the TBM!” when in reality it was incorrect in the first place.

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[CasualClick]

RNP 08 Zulu is indeed AR only. So GA aircraft typically would not be allowed to fly this approach.

[BigCow74]

It seems like this is another one of those long standing bugs (G1000 GA planes incorrectly allowing AR approaches) that’s never gotten a proper bug report written up…

[GlossyBead95617]

Thak you for explanation. So I understand not even the 172 ( and all G1000 GA ) should be possible to see and to use the RNP08Z approach to LOWI. The problem is in the 172 ( or G1000 GA) . I hope solve this issue.

Thank you very much indeed

NOTE: I check in the diamond DA62 founding the RNP08Z.

[BigCow74]

@BigCow74

never gotten a proper bug report written up…

OK, I fixed this. Here is a bug report, open for voting (not open for only complaining!).

G1000 NXi Does Not Filter Out RNAV RNP AR Approaches

ISSUE DESCRIPTION Description of the issue: Planes (I think basically all GA G1000 stock planes in the sim) that are not approved to fly Authorization Required RNAV RNP approaches still allow selection of these approaches in the avionics. One example is shown below, but this applies across multiple aircraft and multiple approaches. This example is from the C172 G1000 NXi variant and KMDW RNAV RNP X RWY 22L. The approach plate shows this is an “Authorization Required” approach, however the Gar…