The MSFS environment is significantly more dynamic than the real world environment- and this creates some interesting engineering challenges in order to ensure that the airplane flies properly. Fortunately for PMDG, we have had an actual PhD scientist/mathematician on staff for 20+ years and the full force of his professional background is proving to be worth it’s thrust/lift/drag/weight in gold. (See what I did there?)
We anticipate pushing this update out to you in a few days- with another to follow shortly after to bring greater stability to the thrust channel when operating under A/T. It is a challenge to make the system properly responsive in an unrealistically active environment but we are dialing it in nicely and will hand it to you as it is ready.
And if PMDG do tailor planes for this “unrealistic environment” what if Asobo fix it? Are we then going to have to wait for another fix? Feels like a bit chicken and egg.
To be fair I have noticed that the Fenix has changed since SU10 and the patches, it seems to struggle with the whole approach phase and flare, the 737 not as bad. Not sure however.
Here is my issue:
On the one hand we have a real life 737 Pilot who is testing for PMDG saying the dynamics of the atmosphere is like real life and the owner of the company is saying it is not realistic or to quote him “Unrealistic” So what is it? Then what if Asobo keep changing it, that means we will never have consistency in our add-ons until they nail it. Personally I can already see the affects, even in low winds I feel the Fenix mainly is overly affected. hmm I am not sure about all this.
Must be a nightmare for developers with the moving goalposts. Maybe in a few years it will settle down, but I feel like they (Asobo /MS) should’ve put more effort to get the core right before adding all this extra stuff, as it just means more stuff will eventually need changing to get it back in-line.
Arguably this has caused a domino effect. Asobo releases an unfinished product with plans to update as time goes…developers follow suit.
It took me far longer than what I would like to admit before I finally realized, don’t buy any aircraft right away. WAIT. Read the negative opinions, and see if there is substance in the complaints.
It took multiple disappointments for me to develop constraint lol
Pmdg is the exception. This had great reviews from the jump. One of the more well received aircraft. I bet its in the top ten of your top 5 current aircraft. I need to check that thread again.
My opinion isn’t terribly printable. PMDG don’t get a pass from me for some history in the industry I known othing about. They can blather all they want, but it’s meaningless until there’s a good update. Their Asobo bashing is a meme at this point - there’s plenty to be critical of Asobo but it’s got to the point where I just have to ask them why they’re even bothering being in the market if ti’s all broken & unrealistic. Some sort of cult?
Now the only thing PMDG would need is an electricion (no PhD needed) to realistically simulate all circuit breakers, and their airplanes would get close to Fenix level
But this here makes me even more excited:
PMDG 777 for MSFS The flight deck model for this project is absolutely spectacular and since we used a “well loved” flight deck as the basis for our build, it has more of the wear and maintenance abuse you’d expect to find in an in-service airplane.
I agree with you, The extensive configuration within the 737 FMC re panel states mainly because they dont have an EFB ready has led to all kinds of issues for me. As you indicate blaming Asobo for their own engineering issues does not stand up
Sure it would be nice to have a moving map in the window, but it creates zero problems and not more effort to fully program the 737 in the FMC only. Numbers of passengers (0), weight of cargo (15.000 to 25.000kg depending on if it´s the 700 or 800 freighter), everything is zero problem to type in. I do the same in the Fenix too
The Fenix EFB is used only to calculate the V-speeds most of the time, and I even use the cargo loadsheet in the MCDU for inserting Center of Gravity and weight.
Yes it kinda breaks the immersion that some values and numbers get implemented by “cheating” (pressing the button next to the V-speeds for example and these are getting filled in automatically, I would love to calculate these myself and manually insert these numbers).
And the following aspect I especially love about PMDG:
“We have a very relaxed working environment, but by nature of the fact that it is a 24/7 operation, we never really stop and take a break.”
(Not the typical faceless overlord-corporate-pigs standing there with a whip: “WORK WORK WORK!!! FASTER FASTER FASTER or you need to leave here and get another job, WORK WORK WORK you are here to WORK like a horse and not to create something special, WORK WORK WORK!!!” but PMDG seems to be a relaxed open-minded and progressive office. Work environments like this have gotten kinda rare since the new fascist era begun in US and Europe a few years ago.)
“Proving that no-good-deed-goes-unpunished, I then spent all of last week in bed due to some bacterial something or other in my lungs/throat/ear… Unpleasant. I don’t recommend.”
I recommend broadband-antibiotics, 1000-1500mg for at least a month. Ignoring it and waiting for the immune system to get rid of it probebly won´t make it better but can lead to permanent damage of internal body tissue.
“The 737 series is coming upon a few milestones in the weeks ahead. These involve the release of the PMDG 737-900 for MSFS, continued addition of new functionality including further flight model improvements, inclusion of our new PMDG Flight Tablet, some improvements to system logic, various bug fixes and general improvements around the 737 product line.”
Awesome to hear! But I hope the visuals and the eyecandy get some love and attention too because I really had to bugfix some nasty texture glitches for the 737 this summer.
“I have seen some of our newer PMDG customers wonder “why didn’t PMDG think of having an EFB?” For the benefit of those folks: We have given you many of these features in a very comprehensive EFB simulation within our 747-8, 777s and the 737NGXu within P3D. Those simulations carried versions of Boeing’s “standard EFB” which are clunky, sort of mid-90s tech that was popular briefly and then faded behind the dominance of iPad/Surface type devices.”
I kinda like time travelling when flying airplanes typical for the late seventies early to mid eighties era. Not everything must be 100% top-tier tech, and the Fenix also represents some airframe flown since 1991 or so (to be precise it has LCD screens and EIS 2, these cockpit features have been introduced in 2004.)
keep in mind what you compare here: Emi used a custom created weather set and he is the end user of this whole system, the guy who flys in it and experiences the outcome. RSR on the other hand has to deal with a system that is exaggerated and unrealistically “hyperactive” in which he has to develop an airplane that again has to feel natural and that won’t get thrown about. Real Weather has massive turbulence issues that even increase if you take the too stable camera/view system into account. There is basically no inertia of mass simulated, where our human head/eye/brain in reality would compensate and focus on a landmark the whole world jerks around in the sim all the time. In VR it’s completely unflyable for me, I get nausea within seconds in MSFS and I am totally used to hundreds of hours in VR from DCS. It is a difference and Emi looked at it from a totally different angle than Robert does. So this is an “and”, not an “either or”.
The EFB would be very important for us VR players. I just wonna have the OFP imported and shown in the cockpit without taking off the glasses to lookup the numbers in the web browser many times. And it is no solution for me to spend another 27 bucks or so for the next addon (Kneepad or whatever).
This could and should also be possible in the Navigraph toolbar as they own Simbrief now. It is fantastic but the OFP is missing.
Right?? I thought there was something wrong with my Cub that was shaking like an idiot after takeoff. Turns out it’s just the new gust system in effect.
Ok good explanation, But I really dont think it is a good thing to make weather hyperactive or artificially make it worse to give perception, as that is just unrealistic. A 25 Kt X Wind should feel like a 25Kt wind and not like a 50Kt one and all the bouncing around. When I did my PPL many moons ago we flew into weather, the trainer took over but we were not bouncing around all over the place, in fact he showed me that even in trim the plane will gently rise and drop and not to be aggressive with the controls or chase the needles/horizon just keep it steady.
In the sim my plane is bouncing around like crazy with 4kt winds (GA planes). I’m not saying it isn’t real, but it feels fake. Also I now mostly turn off FS Realistic as that makes it even worse.
An airplane is not necessary shaking like crazy all the time to make it “realistic”, for example during my second (real) Airbus A319 flight I could not feel the slightest turbulence or wind gusts.
Sorry no real B737 here anywhere for cheap boarding tickets to test their flight characteristics in different weather settings.
There is no anger? where do you see anger. But the weather being called “unrealistic” and PMDG having to tweak their plane to cope with unrealistic weather is to me a bit of a problem IMHO, I am not saying it is PMDG are, but IMHO it is over done. I guess it really only means something to people who want an accurate sim, as I seem to be one of the only ones who have picked up on it. But there is no anger.
