Some flight-sim ancient history

I was cleaning the house and found my original subLogic disks. All hail Bruce Artwick!

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Pretty cool, I have a lot of old flight sim programs etc stashed away, I have been meaning to crack out the camera and post some photos. Back in those days you really got a a box full of stuff, nav charts for different areas and even keyboard overlays to show what button was for what.

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I go back a long time also and the company Avalon Hill made board games recreating battles of WWII, to which I was addicted as a child… probably explains why I play COD WWII…

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I have the one on the right! Somewhere. I know I have that Apple stuff around here.

Avalon Hill. Didn’t they distribute role-playing games like D&D or Star Frontiers also?

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Yes - I think that sleeve is from the Battle of Midway game I also found.

Yes, I have some of the scenery disks, as well - with the maps.

Fantastic find! yep for many including me, this is where an entire lifetime of aviation sim related hobbies began.
I continued flying sims beginning with this one all the way up to now, got my fixed wing PPL in 2006, and got interested in the helicopters when msfs2020 came out (and devs created the H125, H135, and R44)
Everyday I fly in msfs2024 I think back to the incredible improvements to the flightsimming experience, and how lucky we are that MS and Asobo have the same passion to be able to create this digital twin for us to enjoy…

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crickey, really interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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I still have my tin box FS9 somewhere. I wonder if it would even run on a modern Windows rig…

It probably wouldn’t run. But if you had a VM running Win XP on your modern hardware and installed it, it would probably give you kick a.. performance.

All this stuff is probably worth a bit to retro gamers!

I still have the Sublogic FS too. I also go way back and own every MS flight sim except for FS2024. I skipped that one. I also have a 2nd PC that is older and runs Windows XP. I have FS9 on it with all of the addons from over the years. I fire that PC up sometimes and enjoy FS9. My main sim is FS2020 though. But I do love flying VOR to VOR in FS9 using the HJG B727 100/200 as well as the HJG DC9-30. Back in my FS9 days I bought all of the Jeppesen charts that a 3rd party was selling. I still have those to this day.

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Great find! I also had FS1 (or whatever it was called…the 1st sim). On an Atari computer! I think the storage capacity was about 500kb and that was the expensive model. LOL
I’ve been hooked ever since.
Wonder what simmers will think of today’s sim in 50 years when the latest sim will make today’s MSFS seem ancient.

Then-

Now-

50 Years from Now-

???

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I still hope someone brings a DC-8 into MSFS to match or beat HJG’s one. Flying their planes was Magic.

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Hologram flight sim’s in 50 years - no need to buy peripherals, they will all be there in the ether :wink: :sweat_smile:

Thats cool, I have this still in storage back in my home town

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My copy still boots on original hardware. :slight_smile:

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Back to the roots- Great photos.

Back in the day, RAF training fields had ‘Model Landscapes’ of the approach to the runway.

Training was to learn instrument flight. The complete cockpit would be replicated or a real section of aircraft. When the aeroplane was at the correct distance, a camera would be moved above the model landscape with the pictures displayed on a big screen in front of the replica cockpit. The camera wires would react to the aeroplane’s controls.

Lufthansa had something similar - a camera moving over a model landscape - in their 707 simulator in Frankfurt in the early ‘70s. I was flying for British Midland at the time and, come check time, four of us -three crew and the examiner - would fly there in one of their Viscounts from East Midlands and borrow the simulator when no-one else was using it - usually at 2 in the morning!

When he wanted to force a practice go-around, the Examiner would pull on a piece of string and a little model fuel tanker would trundle across the landing threshold!

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