Soviet Era Aircraft

We got the AN-2 similarly so many interesting aircraft from beyond the iron curtain. il-18,AN-24 in the prop category,in jets there are the infamous(crashes) Tupelovs and the il-62 and il-76.

Given the current political situation Atleast the ukranian AN-12, AN-24 and the worlds largest turboprop AN-22 deserve to be in game. Most these are still in service flying cargo throughout the world.These would be fun to fly.

  1. AN-12
  2. AN-24
  3. AN-22 Worlds largest turboprop
  4. IL-62 is technically a copy of the vc-10
  5. IL - 18 We already have the DC-6 though similar config
  6. TU-134 - In Development TU-134 by KAI 31

We also got the An-225 (Asobo), then there’s a very good Mig-15bis (Bear Studios), “Mig-29” (Deimos), Yak-18 (Nemeth), Mig-21bis (GKS), IL 103 (Freeware flightsim.to) and a Tu-134 has been in development for quite a while

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I agree, Mig15bis is very good.

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i think he was hinting towards more soviet passenger/cargo aircraft. most of these listed have some sort of military application (sans the IL 103 and Tu134

Fun fact: none of the operators that fly the Tu134 are Ukrainian. They’re all Russian save for Air Koryo.

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How about the Supersonic Tupelov?

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Hello, just a heads up that in Wishlist you can only wish for one thing at a time:

With a wish like this, if any Soviet-era aircraft gets created, this topic may get closed. Just a heads up.

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which is why atleast some of the Antonovs could be in the game. Throughout the cold war era they have built some nice turboprops

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i see,will keep this in mind. i will structure it out a little better. list it out with check marks

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that mig-15bis is a toy,and as others have mentioned these are military aircraft. Not large passenger/cargo ones. Although the AN-24,AN-12 are military too but then in a lot of parts of the world thee were used for passenger transport.

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Just locate the “western” aircraft that the USSR copied and you will then have most of the fleet :rofl:

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hahha yes, once we get the 727 and the 717 i dont think most soviet era jets would be needed. The turboprops though yeah those were never copied.

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Then how do you “wish” for greater inclusion of Soviet Era aircraft, in general, without making twenty or thirty entries, one per aircraft?

IMHO making separate entries per aircraft would be clumsy, visually noisy, and inherently self-defeating.

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You are not counting the many private companies and individual owners around the world. Among other things. Tu-134 production was located in Ukraine at a plant in Charkov. And yes, although it is decommissioned, but nevertheless the photo speaks for itself.

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AFAIK, virtually all the Soviet commercial aircraft were respins of a corresponding military aircraft.

Example:

Note the bomber nose with the viewport for the bombardier or bomb aimer as was present in the military version.

Also note the “radome” or “elint” pod underneath the nose as would be present in the military version.

This was done to allow re-use of existing airframes with relatively few modifications to make them suitable for passenger use.  This reduced the engineering effort and allowed them to bring an aircraft to market in a fraction of the time that a “from scratch” design would require.

One of the side-effects of this was that certain, potentially essential, civilian aircraft design features were not included.

In the illustration above, note the absence of “droops” or slats on the leading edge of the wings.

Many Russian bombers had very long runways that allowed for a higher rotation speed, so leading-edge slats were omitted as a cost-saving measure.  Likewise, airframe designs minimized the effects of these feature omissions.

The commercial variants were redesigned to accommodate commercial use by a re-designed/extended cabin, different wing sweep, and other aerodynamic changes that made the absence of leading-edge slats a real problem.

One of the problems this created was that the takeoff and landing speeds for the corresponding commercial aircraft were considerably higher than normal, requiring longer runways and making the craft difficult to handle at the slower speeds that were required for takeoffs and landings.  This was particularly aggravated by the extended cabins and modified wing designs in the commercial versions that didn’t have these lift-enhancing features.

In fact, one of the earliest jet powered commercial passenger respins was called “the flying coffin”, (or in some places, “flight to heaven”), and a popular song about the aircraft re-used a familiar funeral tune with the lyrics changed to refer to the aircraft.

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With regard to all the “Ukrainian vs Russian” noise that seems to be going on about many of these aircraft:

  1. All of these aircraft were Soviet aircraft, regardless of where the design groups or manufacturing facilities were located.
  2. It was not uncommon for high-volume aircraft production to be “farmed out” to a number of different facilities in different regions of the Soviet Union, in the same way that US/Western companies vie for production contracts.
    • During WWII, many Lockheed aircraft, the P-38 Lightning among them, were manufactured in a number of different facilities, often run by competitors, (Ford did a lot of aircraft manufacturing, especially at their Willow Run facility).
  3. As a consequence, it was not uncommon that aircraft subassemblies, (and sometimes entire aircraft), would be manufactured in places like Kurgistan, Georgia, Armenia, Usbekistan, and far-flung parts of Siberian Russia, along with the original facility.
  4. In some cases the “original” facility was reserved as a scientific research facility, concentrating on design and development, while other facilities, (that were perhaps less engineering oriented?), did the lion’s share of the “heavy lifting”.

As far as everyone was concerned, they were all Soviet aircraft, regardless of where they were manufactured.

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As for the military purpose, I already wrote here TU-134 by KAI 31 - #104 by KAI312378 in the second part of the answer.

Of course, you can believe in anything, and the reality is that you can call raspberries strawberries, but this will not make them raspberries in reality. A clear and real proof that civil aircraft are not strategically suitable is the documentation and the fact that they are technically unsuitable for this and can only be used as educational and preparatory means in single copies.

Regarding the fact that the territorial location of development, production and operation after the collapse of the USSR became a subject of disagreement, it is not the fault of the aircraft and it is stupid and ignorant to breed disputes about ownership. But all information must be a clear truth so that there is no misunderstanding. Therefore, I often clarify and supplement incomplete information in response to the not entirely correct conclusions of the interlocutors, and at the same time, in my words there cannot be and there were no hints of disputing the ownership of the prototype. Aircraft made in the Soviet Union will forever belong to that part of history and to the people who designed, built, operated and used them.

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would be cool to see a Yak-50 or Yak-52.

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Also, the Tu-95 and or An-22, the largest turboprop ever? These are all unique aircraft that would fit will with the simulator’s collection and bring a unique experience instead of yet another Airbus iteration

Also, the Il-2 Sturmovik or Mig-29 might be fun