Unless I am missing something, there are currently no study-level (or close to) business jets in the sim. Are there any in active development? We get study level (ish) airliners with PMDG and Fenix, and GA with A2A and Black Square.
Curious to know what people think and if there’s a ‘demand’ for it. I’d love to have a really high fidelity challenger or citation CJ2/3, something that is pretty common where there’s enough reference material.
The companies that manufacture these machines are well known for frowning upon simulation versions, and there have been problems with this in the past. On the other hand, PMDG owns a Falcon 50 so who knows….
Mathijs Kok
PMDG
That’s interesting. Why would they be frowned upon? Is it a security thing or more along the lines of IP?
Also a PMDG bizjet of any magnitude would be AWESOME
xtreme prototypes has this “NEW! Our GLJ Model 25 CSE Business Jet for Microsoft**® **Flight Simulator” claims to be 2024 compatible
Citation X not study level enough?
You are definitely missing something: Flysimware Learjet 35A. Or FlightFX Citation X 
And technically not a JET, but close enough, Black Square Starship.
And the default Longitude and CJ4 are pretty dang good already.
M or EX model? By own, do you mean in the pipeline for msfs 2024 or a real one the staff use?
There have been threads discussing biz jets as there seems to be a lack of study level jets. I had started a thread about large biz jets (Gulfstreams, Globals etc) and while the companies behind them seem to frown against sim devs making one there are multiple Gulfstreams in X-Plane so not sure how.
I have the FlightFX Citation X, Flysimware Lear 35 and they’re great. The longitude is good but it’s almost like a lot of these jets are missing that last layer of fidelity that would bring them to the next level. Idk if it’s sound, flight model, texturing or what. The Citation X is probably the closest to study level IMO. I’d love to see a large Gulfstream, Global or big Falcon but it’s just a wish at this point
Is it possible the resistance is because of the chronic state of the simulator (being buggy and unreliable) and they don’t want to be associated with that? And that they might be more interested if / when the MSFS platform improves enough to be stable and reliable?
I did read somewhere Gulfstream didn’t want to approve a developer to make a sim version of their product because if it’s a flop it could reflect poorly on their company/brand. I think that’s a weak argument at best but sure
I’ve opened mine in FS2024. At first glance everything seemed fine, except that I couldn’t pop out the GNS530 and WX Radar screens.
They mention in the manual that they are working on a native FS2024 version.
No Xbox version planned (per se) but they are reportedly working on a ‘Lite’ version for those users.
If working CB’s are your thing, it currently doesn’t have them. But it seems like a pretty deep model overall.
A larger business jet would be nice to have indeed besides the excellent Citation X!
Check out this 2-hour video and get ready to be amazed - it’s all about the default Longitude. By the way, it’s made by a guy who, if I understand correctly, works at Working Title.
Global Classic Series shares the same Honeywell Primus 2000 Avionics as the recently released Citation X - so may be possible to adapt.
Global Vision is Rockwell Collins and it is also featured in the A220 (former C-Series).
Otherwise except for the avionics, the Global XRS and Global 6000 are almost exactly the same.
I have heard business jets are much more restrictive about licensing and technical data than let’s say Boeing or Airbus. That’s because they often use proprietary software in their avionics and are not keen at all to sell any manuals or other documentation. But any study level aircraft would require these details to create a model of sufficient fidelity.
Not to mention people might use a sim version as “training” outside approved systems. As ridiculous as it sounds, if an accident happened and someone claimed they had “practiced” in an unofficial sim, it could create legal issues. Obviously Boeing/Airbus don’t have similar risks because the rules of getting to fly these IRL are much stricter and there are tons of training sims anyway, so plenty of choice of wannabe pro pilots.
For the same reason, people might want to get the absolute minimum training contract from companies that do specialize in bizjet training and then the prospective pilots would simply go back at home and complete their training using a study level jet.
But the irony is that demand for this type of aircraft seems to be huge among the flight community. A Falcon PMDG would take the market by storm.
The Falcon 50 is not something I would want to fly though tbh. - it is an old bird and there are not too many of those around any more.
The rules to fly large bizjets (FAR25) are exactly the same as airliners… maybe in FAA-Land rules to fly as a SIC are different…
(I happen to own all the BD700 manuals btw. 
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The requirements for these large jets (at least from the job listing’s) is often much higher than the airlines. A lot of them requiring over 1000 PIC turbine time and usually thousands of hours total over the 1500min for the airlines. The legal requirements from the FAR’s might be the same but the companies flying these jets often have pretty high requirements
I am actually an active PIC on the BD700 with thousands of hours on type…
You are echoing what I basically wrote.
Legal requirements and individual company requirements are not the same - I was referring to the legal requirements.
