I didn’t know about the Karma thing but you’re right you can 
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ohh nice, i was not aware they had that
thanks for sharing
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I only found this by chance when I as looking for something else. Not sure if it is active or not.
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I am coming across more and more changes to Flightsim.to and not all of them are good. One example is that we no longer have the ability to delete our liveries, or even temporarily pause them. While Flightsim.to conditions state we always retain the right to ownership of a livery, how can this be the case if we don’t have the right to remove it?
There is also now a 3 upload limit per hour. Not normally a problem for me, except I had been saving a few up to do all together. I’ll release them as I do them now.
There is way more legalese changes than I originally thought, as I am noticing changes everywhere. I think something else is going on at Flightsim.to. And I am wondering if all the changes are an indication of an affiliation with Asobo, or other commercial operation. Hence all the changes.
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i dont think its an affiliation “with Asobo, or other commercial operation”
they themselves are the “commercial operation” in question here, its a webstore just like SimMarket is
i doubt they are done adding, editing policy to help Them maintain w/e advantage our freeware may give them
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LOL - I have close to 20,000 karma, uploaded 29 files, have 28000 downloads and 4.79 rating. Although that is by no means impressive or close to the greatest, it does represent A LOT of work on my side that I make available for free. And I get like what? A 5% discount and 10% soon. … so that would represent $1, maybe $2. Wow…Not.
AND I get still this pesky advertising, and I get this download waiting time and a plea to disable my adblocker. It’s a complete joke. Least they could do was remove the adds as a thanks for karma.
The thanks and donations and appreciation I get from the users of my add-ons is invaluable, though. That’s the only reason I go to flightsim.to - to reach out to a large group of users.
I might just go back to flightsim.com and Avsim.com if only they would modernize and attract back more users.
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I even went so far as to exclude “flightsim.to” allow advertisements and I STILL get the crippled downloads and the nag screens.
Guys, get a grip on YOURSELVES before you start making things difficult for others.
“Running a site like that is a potential nightmare of liability and rights etc.”
thats cooperate bs, thats what they want you to believe is why they are doing it, but they could Easily write Policy that excludes them from Any liability Without imposing further restriction of our files (look at the Dozens of other game Repository sites, they simply state they are Not Responsible for this 3rd party work they host - all legal like)
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How much weight that has is very dependent upon what part of the world you’re in. Laws are not the same everywhere.
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i agree entirely, Laws vary from region to region, but this Policy would hold just as much weight as the Policy .to uses to “claim rights”
its just as much protection only going a different route, as the author agree’s to either
nor would taking physical control of the file away from the author reduce their liability in any way (they have always had the right and ability to remove files as it was always against policy for anything illegal, thats Not what we are talking about here)
they are protecting the Business Asset (from the author) that our freeware has become, thats all
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Yes, kind of. To my understanding it means that the users providing the free add-ons cannot afterwards sue the platform for not providing royalties for the add-on they distributed. Just very technical, all-encompassing legal jargon to cover flightsim.to’s back, just in case any users should come up with demands they are entitled to the said royalties.
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You can’t really monopolize something that is free.
If you don’t want to make your product freely available to others, then why aren’t you charging for it? All this is saying is that once you post it to their site, its… freeware. You’re granting them license to treat it as freeware.
If you want some ownership over your product, its not freeware.
I think you’re just reading way to deep here. They are just covering their butt in case you decide to start charging for your add-on later and then claim that they don’t have permission to share it.
They are literally saying (in plain English) “By uploading your files to us, you’re granting us permission to distribute them to anyone in the world at any time for any reason forever. You can not revoke this permission. Furthermore, you’re granting that right to anyone who downloads it from us, and if they roll off and start charging money for it, thats not our problem because you gave it to us freely.”
If they were creating a monopoly over YOUR content they’d be saying you have no right to distribute it outside of their website, which is clearly not what they are saying.
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Hello all,
simple idea, I don’t know why people still don’t understand to one important - nothing isn’t free…
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Freeware: you give it away free of charge, but you retain the copyright and you can restrict any further usage like the inclusion of some of your contents in another add-on.
Public Domain: you give it away free of charge and allow anybody to do, whatever they like to do with it.
When I read "flightsim.to"s licence text, it sounds more like “public domain”. One reason for me, not to use them. Even if “flightsim.com” looks a bit old-fashioned and does not reach that many simmers any more.
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that is exactly my problem as well, they are treating our intellectual property (that is legally protected in many regions) as public domain freeware, like a chat post on social media
i use a very common freeware license (Creative Commons) and one of the Main features of that license is
" No additional restrictions — You may not apply legal terms or technological measures that legally restrict others from doing anything the license permits."
that pretty much excludes my being able to use this site - it could effectively cause a situation where i ‘may’ be in violation of my own copyright
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Uploading to flightsim.to does not give anyone who downloads it the right to distribute or sell the add-on elsewhere.
There are literally specific boxes to tick when uploading to say what permissions are granted with your add-on.
There is an option to make it exclusive to flighsim.to, you can say if objects from your add-on can be re-used by those who download it.
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I see no drama here. Had a freeware mod on there for a few years now without issues. It would never have got the reach it has without the site. My uploaded updates are available to users within seconds including notifications if users requested it.
The fact users accessing the site for that update gives them advertising money? Fine by me. Servers cost money, good luck to them.
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I really don’t understand the complaints to be honest its all made pretty clear to me.
I upload for free and i make it exclusive to flighsim.to I know their terms and don’t have an issue with them.
You might not be able to delete add-ons but you can put a marker on them to say they may no longer work or not compatible and you can let people know certain add-on is no longer supported by you.
Kind of protects the website from people all removing their add-ons or taking them off to the post up somewhere else for a fee.
Can’t see any issue’s, that couldn’t be same issue’s with any other site you can upload add-ons to.
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the issue (for me at least) is they are using Company Policy to claim Copyright OVER the Authors own copyright
effectively trying to over ride the Authors own copyright (if any)
i get most people do not understand the diff between Public Domain and copyrighted freeware
look at any website that distributes intellectual property and you will likely find Specific copyright info on each and every upload, even for Royalty Free stuff - that is to protect the Authors rights
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I would have thought this was there to cover them if devs decide to make it exclusive to the flightsim.to website only. As then they would hold the rights to that file only being uploaded there.
Anyhow its not as if it’s been made a secret they clearly state their terms for add-ons.
People are free to disagree and not use them if they wish but they aren’t being shady in my eyes.
It can also be that some websites aren’t thorough enough with their terms and conditions.
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