What is weird about it? If someone would have created a traffic model pack that works i would have paid for it instead of waiting for the moon and stars to align (AIG).
AIG has some exclusive rights to models and / or liveries (that’s how it looks like). At the moment they are the only possible legal source for traffic models. What triggers me is the fact that they are already having models that work and instead of pushing them out and give monthly updates to the collection they are sitting on them until grand release.
I don’t care about offline traffic with flight plans and stuff. All i need are models and liveries i can throw into my community folder (for AI live and multiplayer). AIG won’t drop these models until their WHOLE package is ready. That’s what makes me salty.
Yes, but AIG took the lead in getting all these things shut down when they themselves couldn’t provide it. Instead, they should of asked these people to come on board and help with the project instead of alienating them and angering many in the community that just want more realistic traffic.
The way they went about it is what angered people who saw it as them just trying to undermine anyone else who wanted to provide realistic traffic because they wanted to be the only ones who did it. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t matter, what does is how it looks.
You’d rather pay for something than get it for free?
I’m sure some were angered enough that yes, they would in fact rather pay for a commercial product than support AIG.
I think what he’s referring to was what, while it’s true that these people plagiarise a copyrighted material and didn’t really do anything. It feels like they could’ve handled the situation a lot better than simply banning people from using their assets.
For example: They could’ve just sent a notification that while the mods are prohibited to be used in it’s current state, they could’ve worked with those people who to do some QA together, and lay some ground rules on what is allowed and what isn’t. Basically working to get a new license together.
So instead of banning it outright, they should just redirect the use of those assets to a more proper way that they can control, while at the same time allowing us to keep using it under the new license and terms and conditions that they set.
The people who had it working perfectly in FSX/P3D started to create a traffic liveries package for MSFS and a huge row broke out so they have dropped the project. Why the livery makers stopped this I don’t know. These are free liveries and the software to use them on vPilot was also freeware, community projects. I really don’t get the problem but left in the hands of these people we would already have a good to excellent traffic liveries addon.
I for one am happy to wait until AIG release their package because I know it will be done right. I had all packages for P3Dv5 and it was fantastic.
These guys know what they are doing and bring it for free, I don’t think anyone has a right to complain when they are surmising about the ins and outs of the decisions that have been made so far.
I greatly appreciate the work AIG are putting into making a great product work well in this sim.
Is it annoying that AI is so bad at the moment in the sim? Yes, should there have been more priority given by microsoft in the first place? Definitely.
But AIG are taking on the task despite all the problems they are facing and I am greatful.
most of the other projects are about live traffc though. AIG s about AI. They weren’t a threat to his project. They could have co existed. Even now, iif ASOBO fixes live traffic, broken since SU5, surely those mods could be used , or they release early for live traffic. Make them look like heroes ,instead ppl see them as scrooge and Grinch in one.
Exactly. Payware generally is expected to be of higher quality and continuous support pretty much guaranteed. With freeware when things change in the sim the creators may or may not fix their mod, it’s a hit and miss.
Yeah I’d rather pay if it meant actually moving this situation forward from what we have now.
Now we have a broken Asobo system and a bunch of people I’ve never heard of slug it out about copyright issues, who owns what, while it’s at least a year in and the community have had nothing, and we are sitting with totally empty airports. So that’s a great situation for free isn’t it!
That’s why the mod I linked above is a good place to start to populate the airport and having matching liveries for moving traffic. As long as the ground aircraft is set to 100, you’ll stop seeing empty airports then and the more A320 liveries you have, the more lively your airports would be.
Microsoft are big enough targets for litigation from any minor or major airline that sees it’s liveries being used in the sim regardless of who put them there. And we could be talking millions so it’s not difficult to understand.
It’s when you’re using liveries in a commercial product without acquiring licensing rights that you have a legal problem. Microsoft can’t do it without said permission from the airlines, as they’d be including someone else’s trademarks logos and brands in their own product that they sell.
When it comes to freeware, no one is profiting. You’re creating an artistic product depicting something.
Licensing isn’t an issue until money starts to exchange hands.
MSFS is a commercial product, they might be limited in what people put on their own computers but once copyrighted liveries appear in multiplayer or on youtube there is a problem.
No. I had this discussion with a lawyer about using real life airlines (and their logos) in my airline tycoon game. Obviously I can’t put them in. But the airlines can’t do anything to me if my community puts them in.