Lots of countries have different laws, just remember that
So uhm, why would people creating and sharing 100s of liveries not be an issue. But as soon as we put them in the form of an AI it is?
By your logic then now need to stop allowing us to draw custom liveries.
The liveries and models are on the machine of the user. MS isn’t distributing anything. MS can’t control videos on youtube and it’s free advertising for the airline.
In all those years of XP, FSX, P3D and so on nobody said a word but with MSFS airlines are having a problem?
By your logic Asobo would need to lock down the game in order to prevent 3rd party content. You would need to block liveries, models and scenery.
I do remember flightsim.com had to pull a few FSX aircraft with RW liveries. But my point is that when such stuff appears and MS know about it and there is a complaint they are duty bound to stop them being in the public domain as much as is within their means (which is of course debatable), they certainly can’t endorse it.
SOLID!, I finally have something to look forward to during my retirement!
Let’s see what your feelings would be if someone was stealing the code you spent months putting together.
This is badly needed on Xbox…
Hahah, you have no idea how many copyright infringement notices I receive from YouTube on my channel when I livestreamed my flights with real life liveries and the official airline boarding music and safety video. I’m lucky all I get are just notices, and they end up running ads on my videos that I don’t monetise in the first place, simply because my video is showcasing copyrighted materials, with the ad revenue goes to the owner of those copyrighted materials that I showcased in my videos.
Which is better than nothing but you still end up with an airport populated with nothing but A320’s. To me, not seeing 737’s, E-jets, CRJ’s, 777’s etc is a real immersion killer. I have fond memories of flying in FSX and having the gates and taxiways filled with a variety of authentic aircraft. I am really surprised that this far in and we have nothing even remotely close in MSFS.
That’s true… but even with 737s, and 777s, managing liveries would be a nightmare. I mean, I have 100+ Liveries on my A320. And If I had to multiply that with 737, 767, 777, 747, A220, A321, A340, A350, A380, Then suddenly, my livery collection exploded and that is assuming there are livery creators who made liveries for those models.
Besides, my mod only sits at the very base level. If you have other aircraft type models working as AI traffic on the community level, then that will still take precedence. My mod would only fill the gap if you don’t have any matching model, and that it disables the low-quality generic aircraft models with plain liveries. And all that is utilising the aircraft model that everyone has without adding anything and it’s compatible with any A320 liveries that’s installed. So, yes it’s better than nothing.
My memories are a bit fuzzy, but I remember default FSX had my gates and taxiways filled with only 737, 747, and A321 with Pacifica, Orbit, and World Travel airlines livery… hardly authentic to me… Besides, that was 15 years ago.
You are correct with regards to stock FSX but there were addons that provided this. Ultimate Traffic 2 being the one I used.
Ultimate Traffic for P3D was in my opinion the best AI traffic program offered for a sim. I would gladly pay for a FS2020 version. I presently use PMP, CS, FBW and similar aircraft and livery add ons for airport traffic. I was using one of the add-on programs utilising IVAO aircraft until the B737’s were withdrawn. A program offering only A320 is of no use to me - we might as well revert to Asobo pointy nosed generics.
A year in and this whole AI thing is a shambles. Asobo hasn’t given us anything meaningful in spite of all their promises in the pre-release publicity. Third party freeware works to a limited extent until Asobo breaks it with yet another update or AIG decides to take their ball and go home. As an artist I know the rules surrounding copyright but I also understand the meaning of the terms co-operation, negotiation and measured response.
Are these automated claims because the music triggered the bot or do you have manual claims? Would be funny if airlines are having people who are watching videos and drop manual claims.
If you have somebody who is creating the liveries it’s actually not THAT bad. The liveries for an AI model are all in the same aircraft folder and in the same aircraft.cfg
Going through tons of FLTSIM and adding icao_airline and atc_airline is a bit tedious but once that is done the model works and you don’t need to worry about it.
When it comes to traffic models the only real work is the creation of the model and the liveries. The cfg’s and files are a bit more generic and you can use already existing values from FSX files. You don’t have months of code writing to have a flying AI model. AIG wants to go further when it comes to features but that is their own decision. If we are just taking a simple model plus liveries for live traffic than we would already have plenty of content.
IVAO already had working models for months and other “grey area” stuff shows that we could already have all kinds of things. The sad part is that if you are going down the dark path you can already use plenty of AI models and fill your airports with everything from a small Embraer all the way to a big A380. The perfectly legal path has NOTHING to show for.
wELL ASOBO mesed up MLD models and last update made some IVAO models invisible. The IVAO models already werent that goodlooking(no animations) but after they went invisible I had to dump many of the models and basically all the boeings, and added more MDL’s which ofcourse if you add too many it crashes to desktop and mdls also have a texture issue randomly. The vanilla textures that I use for my A320 as traffic also have a pop up texture issue where it takes often some time for textures to render. Before SU5 everything worked good and one could use a add on with all ivao or all mdl and no problems.
I don’t see why anyone would waste time atm with the sim being so unstable. For crissakes for 2 months ASOBO has refused to fix traffic spawning at gates and not moving or missing nosewheels. Certainly it is an easy fix , since it is original game code. I don’t bother to put sim on anymore , except to test ship mod. MSFS 2020 has gotten completrly boring. How often can someone fly with no improvements?
As for the copyright issue, a moot point atm since nothing works good but what is ironic is it is perfectly legal to download models. The cfg by itself can be uploaded without breaking any laws. Problem is the mods always include the models. I have shared(privately) cfg files that I have createdd and have shared back with me. Having a few people write cfg’s saves alot of time. Forexample, you do A-F, someone else T-Z,etc.
I have no problems with MDL’s on my side. I never had a crash and i’m using quite a good chunk of MDL.
The problem with the IVAO models is a problem with the gltf file itself. You only need to take out the A321, 747’s and 738’s. The rest is still working on my side. I use a combination of IVAO and some stuff from our east european “friends” so i’m decked out at the moment.
Yeah, the IVAO models aren’t crazy 8k models but i think it’s a legit entry level. It’s still a hundred times better than the low end Asobo “A380” and “767” generics. I can live with the missing animation because after takeoff you don’t see the gear anyways.
Exactly… It requires an addon. Just like we still require addons now. Doing a quick search, it looks like Ultimate Traffic 2 was released in 2013. So that would make it 7 years after FSX was released. That being said, given enough time I’m pretty sure a company would have enough time to get the proper licensing from multiple license holders to create an accurate traffic model to be used here. Until then, we’ll have to make do with what we have right now.
I’m using the exact same livery for the A320. I said it’s a nightmare because there’s always inconsistencies with the livery structure and the aircraft.cfg contents from one creator to the next. Everytime I download a livery, I had to restructure them into my own template with its own standardised structure. I have to change the thumbnail to make it uniform in the Livery Menu UI in the sim. Then I had to rename the livery title so they can appear in the correct order in the UI. Sometimes they forgot to put the ICAO code, so I had to correct it, sometimes it has the wrong or lack of callsign, I have to correct it again.
Then I have to structure it in a way that we only need to use one set of Livery texture files that all Default A320, the AI Traffic A320, and the FBW A32NX aircraft can use from the same pool. I don’t put the AI liveries into a single aircraft.cfg with multiple FLTSIM entries.
Instead I put A320 Flyable and A320 Traffic for that livery into a single aircraft.cfg with separate FLTSIM entry, and a separate A32NX aircraft.cfg with a standalone FLTSIM entry that points to the same livery directory. And each airline livery would always have this set of two.
Guys, off course this sim urgently needs the somewhat real models plus liveries AI Traffic to be fixed, as it is a thing that really trashes the inmersion and the experience as hell … but our only hope is in between the efforts of the AIG team, as they are the only people working with ASOBO on it.
I wonder how many liveries do these AIG or IVAO models have… I’m sure they have good collection for popular airlines of North America and Europe, but do they also have really obscure and less known airline liveries from a less popular airlines of South East Asia? And do they have active community where new liveries are created and growing and free to download and add to the collection?
I’m under the impression that AI traffic like these are pretty “closed” where you get a set collection of models and liveries. But because there’s no active community that keeps growing the livery collection, that we’re stuck with what we have.
It’s part of the reason why I’m utilising the default Asobo A320 to force it as my Traffic models, because there’s so many A320 liveries available and the community is so active to grow this collection that if I want my Air Traffic to use that specific livery, I can just find it and install it.
Waiting patiently for Xplane 12, nuff said
The IVAO B738 had 476 FLTSIM. The A320 is at 675 FLTSIM. Sometimes you have multiple different liveries for one airline and you are having some exotic ones. I had to look up every FLTSIM online because they don’t have icao_airline or atc_airline values.