I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your logic here. You seem to be twisting yourself into an argument that clearly not even you understand. Bounding at the CPU is usually limited to the main thread, particularly at 1080p and 1440p thanks to the DX11 rendering pipeline. Even my 16-core Ryzen 5950X paired with a 3090 is largely bounded by the main thread at 4K, and even worse at lower resolutions. I fail to understand how Alder Lake with its 16 cores will be able to significantly boost single-core IPC to overcome main thread rendering limitations in the DX11 pipeline.
CPU scheduling is a requirement with this type of hybrid architecture, and should be treated as such. To invoke this as a big generational leap is misleading, period. Let’s put it this way: I would hope Microsoft would optimize Windows for this type of architecture.
I never said a CPU can prevent bottlenecking, if this is what you are objecting to and declaring it as misleading this statement is non existent in my previous comments. Any CPU can be brought to its limits. What I talked about is gaming experience.
I used MSFS on an 8th generation 4.9Ghz 6 core/12 threads Intel CPU, at 1080p, and main thread limitation was only affecting experience on airport tarmacs or flying very low on PG cities with all settings cranked up including LOD in config files. I tried it on a 10th gen 10900K and the experience was vastly superior performance wise, without any overclocking. Intel 12th generation performance improvement will improve experience even more.
The words “generational leap” are your own.
I said I expect Intel Alder Lake gaming performance to outpace current AMD chips significantly.
You said in your original post CPU bounding won’t be an issue with Alder Lake. This what I’ve pointed out as misleading, and it seems now you are saying it can be bounded by the CPU.
I’d be cautious on linking leaked benchmarks with no controls. Ashes to Singularity is also limited to 24 threads, while the 5950x has 32 threads.
I won’t get in a further tit for tat on this post regarding this. Good luck flying.
If youre lucky enough to be in the market for a new CPU right now then absolutely wait for Alder Lake benchmarks. - but there’s no need to upgrade a recently bought CPU
Most current Intel CPUs or Zen3 CPUs will neither bottleneck a GPU nor give a massive boost to FPS at higher resolutions - thats the job of the GPU - but as buying a CPU is only every 5 years or so then at least a i7 (8 core) is wise - less isnt a great money saving and far more cores is mostly wasted on gaming - better IPC is more useful.
That budget must include a sensible GPU - but even with a 3080ti I’m still not getting 4K/60 Ultra - so if budget is an issue then the performance of the Series X console on FS2020 looks pretty good compared with many PCs
That’s a really good balanced build. I have never understood or really cared for all these people that want such crazy fast ram. 3200 has normally been the sweet spot for ram. Of course there are outliers but for cost performance ect it is really balanced.
If you’re open to using an AMD processor, you can’t really go wrong with a 5800X. It’s 450 dollars, or less if you can find it on sale, and it crushes MSFS. I paired it with a 3080 and it has no problem keeping up at 1440p.
From the start I stated that CPU bound scenarios will exist, as shown in what you are quoting above, simply I expect with 12600K it will only happen in very rare edge situations that won’t affect gaming experience. Examples are:
flying 500ft above ground over large PG cities at high speed in full glass cockpit aircraft which rarely happens in real life, this will remain an edge case, with FPS hovering around 20/30 FPS.
takeoff and landing from large crowded airports do happen IRL, however going from 8th to 10th generation Intel improved this use case to the point where FPS very rarely dropped below 30, Alder Lake will enable even better gaming experience.
As to benchmarks, sure, it is always best to wait for the release. The content of the article I linked to makes that very clear.
What we have now are early leaks with no way to assess the accuracy, and they should be taken with a grain of salt.
OP intends to spend 450USD on a CPU.
5950x is way out of scope, as will be 12900K.
A 12 cores 5900X is 560 dollars on Amazon, so a max 24 threads benchmark like Ashes of Singularity is relevant.
Only AMD 5800X 8C/16T is within his budget scope as of today.
12600K has 6C/12T Golden Cove high performance cores + 4 lower performance Gracemont cores, total 16 logical cores.
12700K has 8C/16T Golden Cove high performance cores + 4 lower performance Gracemont cores, total 20 logical cores.
It will be very interesting to see how they perform vs 5800X/5900X in final benchmarks
If it were me, I’d go R9, 3070 or higher, and a larger PSU. If you can get a 2TB NVME, do it. If not, I believe that board has a spot for another. Add one later. The sim is going to consume 40-50% of that 1T drive if you go crazy with the add-ons.
For reference, this is me:
ASUS Prime X570p
Ryzen 9 3900x w/watercooler
ROG STRIX 3090
64g RAM @ 3200
2 x 2T WD Black SN570 NVMe drives
1 x 6T Samsung HDD
1000w EVGA PS
Cheers for the feedback. Yep I’m playing it back and forth, the price is slowly escalating! Although I’ve seen videos on Youtube with some astonishing realistic looking videos in MSFS and they have weaker specs than me, unless they’ve been touching things up in editing (which wouldn’t surprise me)
I would switch the mainboard to an Asus Tuff Gaming B550 Wifi … Apart from that everything else looks good for up to 1440p Gaming
The prime series will get you up and running but is usually appropriate for office environments. VRMs are not as robust
If your buying Asus Mainboards the series goes like this in terms of quality of components, features and price obviously.
Prime
Tuff Gaming
Rog Strix
Rog Crosshair
Most people building systems would be best served falling into Tuff Series or Rog Strix if your going to dabble into some overclocking.
Crosshair is the money no object i need all features or want to fully extract the most from overclocking series. The prices are eyewatering though.
Nope … You get Wifi 6 included
Oh … and you need to change the ram speed to 3600 preferrably with a cas 16 Timing. You should be able to find that without too much of a price increase if any. Ryzen CPU’s are more sensitive to ram speed and 3600 cas 16 is the sweet spot.
Youtube videos of the sim are tricky. Consider what you’re watching them on. TVs tend to make youtube videos look much better than they would otherwise look on a monitor.
