I have an excuse…English is my first language 
Thank you for the correction.
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Somebody waiting for xp12 ?
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A self proclaimed title I would guess
i love when people try to completely separate real from virtual.
i’ve found error on an official terminal procedures chart, reported it to the FAA, had a NOTAM issued and the chart corrected.
i am not a real world user of the system. not a pilot, controller, dispatcher etc, but thats an impact in the real world thats a direct result of my virtual flying. is that just a game?
(btw it was a typo on the snshn4 sid out of kont, they fixed the typo and its the snshn5 now)
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This thread is a touch inflammatory really, but, I’ll bite.
For context, I’m an xbox user and do consider myself relatively serious as far as simming is concerned, however, I am not bothered if some elitist, delusional person wants to say they’re serious, and I’m not.
I do agree with a previous poster though who said that some of the delusional characters that inhabit this and other forums do actually think they could pilot a real A320 from startup to shutdown. Which is laughable.
Great question.. I guess, on my side, its about being able to fly bigger, faster, stuff that I can IRL with a (fairly) accurate representation. (Please can we have VNAV and TOD and improved ATC now 
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“I’ll bet simmers couldn’t start up a real aircraft.” Yeah, but then again…
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Seriously? Yes when I file a flight in a 787 TNCM to TJSJ must of the flight is auto pilot. I will fix a sandwich and check my email. Then the serious landing prep starts…The 50 min flight
Is beautiful and stimulating. The longest flight was San Juan PR to Miami
2.5 hours, flight level 35k. I went outside, skimed the pool and pulled some weeds. Every so often checking the Simulator cockpit. Until it was time to disend at about 100 miles out. Florida on the horizon. Approached KMIA and landed on 27L. No prize just a feeling of accomplishment. Crashing is not an option after 2.5 hrs. All that said I have been a flight simmer going back 30 years it’s a great hobby for a retired TV broadcast engineer.. It’s serious fun. !
Oh yea the captans T shirt was a Christmas gift from someone who knows about my hobby👌
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It is sometimes defined as someone who follows real-world procedures and simulates real-world flights vs someone who hops in and buzzes buildings and flies under bridges.
However, when it is used to dismiss or criticize people for not doing things the same way they do, it then becomes a logical fallacy known as the No-True-Scotsman.
There’s no right or wrong way to do it as long as you’re enjoying it.
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A “serious simmer” is someone who takes themselves too seriously.
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As with all things flight sim, I’m learning that the best thing you can do for your sanity is ignore the opinions of other flight simmers and do what makes you happy.
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Serious Simmer - Someone that doesnt ask what a Serious Simmer is. A person that is a Serious Simmer doesnt know it or even care…
Im Serious! Bwhahahaha
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Simulation is so niche that within this small world such a question may result in some quite extreme answers. (this after all is a hobby where people actually build cockpits for themselves to sit in and many think little of spending thousands of dollars on flight peripherals…but is that the only measure of serious?)
Taking a step back to look at a slightly broader scope that might also include “serious gamer” we would include folks who’s main or indeed only hobby is actually gaming on PC or Console
Such ladies and gentlemen will not also do a little crochet or knitting on the side. Gaming is their major passtime.
But serious?
I would consider myself a “serious gamer” and I also like simulation quite a lot. I fall mostly into the category described directly above, but I also play other games and enjoy other genres.
A super serious gamer is more likely to play only a specific title or perhaps a specific genre.
I would classify anybody who only does “simulation” and no other genre’s and/or who only plays/simulates using only one title as a “serious simmer”
This includes those who simulate truck driving or Space (and there are quite a few of the space variety who ONLY do Eve or SC)
Basically, if it consumes your whole life and it’s only 1 title and you created cockpit in your spare room to do it you definitely fall into the “serious simmer” category.
The rest of us are just mere pretenders. 
You could ask also, “what is a serious sim”. What are you expect from a sim to be serious ? which functionnalities are mandatory for you to play seriously ? (and are missing on this one, if any)
nah, i say someoen who tries to fly as close to reality is posissble on the sim
so yes, you qualify i say.
it is just a definition, totally unimportant.
Yeah, that’s me….
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Yep, i think those who use flightsims as an example of sim as that is what we are here for to learn new things all the time is serious about using a sim that is made to teach us things. I think this sim could have more ducumentations that we got with those other flight simulators in the past though. I remember when i got my first flightsim flight simulator 2002 when i was like 12 years old i read through the complete book and it had many pages i can say. It felt like i was made the theory before i should take a flight certificate as a kid 
I think when we believe we are the pilots in the aircraft we are using in the sim we are really serious 
I found the documentation from fs2002 in pdf it was 244 pages I think that could be useful even today for those who wants to read it.
A “serious simmer” is the person whom uses a thermometer in the pot on the stove to achieve maximum simmer but not boil. Very serious indeed.
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Nobody on here, that’s for sure. 
Really ? You do not think Vatsim contributes much to serious flight simulation ?? Vatsim provides real time ATC for VFR and IFR traffic from ground control throughout a flight to approach and landing by using “Volunteer” ground, tower, Approach, Departure and Center controllers to help and enhance your flight experience.
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Using Vatsim, one would not continually violate airspace or procedures like intentional runway incursions without suffering a request to stop or possibly being temporarily or permanently disconnected from Vatsim by a controller. The base MSFS does not offer reliable control like that. If one wants to add serious flight simulation to the MSFS game, Vatsim is one of the best real life simulation enhancement resources available.
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