Fine, I’ll leave you guys to get hysterical over nothing then. 
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Then add in the commercials like every other subscription service seems to do lol
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Not sure why you even bothered to post. I have to believe a lot of silence from the devs leaves open questions about the sim going forward.
A lot of people are heavily invested, devs and end users, that need answers as to what the future holds for their investment.
I care very much about this product and want to see it thrive. I’ve been vested since the very beginning, going back to my first 8086. Yeah, I’m that old.
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i believe the question here is does 2024 use more or less bandwith than 2020? or the same?
because if it uses less… “IF” it uses less… then 2024 will actually be more profitable for them
provided that everyone migrates, of course
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If you’re bandwidth limited, as a user, the future for 2024 is bleak. Not everyone who enjoys MSFS has unlimited bandwidth. You’re leaving out a huge faction of possible users, and making it subscription won’t inspire many.
I want to buy a product, use a product and not feel like I have to have unlimited resources to use it. Storage on the other hand, is cheap and plentiful.
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agreed
i get a feeling that’s why they left 2020 going, for people who’s internet can’t cut it
my guess is, they ran the numbers, and concluded that along these 4 years a typical user streamed x amount of data. Most of it, in gargantuan world updates that they will never use. Better to leave all that in the cloud and stream as needed. You will need more peak bandwith, yes, but along a 4 year cycle, maybe (they think) the streamed total will be less.
That may be the case Chewwy but it’s a valid talking point. We are transitioning into the age of subscription, it’s a money spinner. If I’d have told you 10 years ago that BMW would charge a subscription to activate the heated seats already fitted in your car, I would rightly be a laughing stock….and yet here we are.
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I don’t think that would help really. What’s the thing we all stream the most of? Scenery. Not planes, the world around us. You’ll never hold it all offline, so unless you plan on flying the same routes, and the same places over, as they are in the local cache, you’re going to be streaming scenery.
Really?! That’s a thing? That’s crazy. I guess whatever the market will bear. That’s why pickup trucks, which used to be a cheap commodity, now reigns supreme in the high buck market. P.T. Barnum said it best.
And, a fool and his money are soon parted. But I digress…
Have you any evidence to build on top of a big statement like that ? Judging from the last EXPO, in which they shared a lot of numbers and % with the comunity, the revenue value coming from the marketplace wasn’t something to be worried about.
Look out because once they offer a subscription and break that seal, then you can bet it’s going to go up. You know how it goes: “In order to continue providing the best of service to our valued customers, we will be raising the price of our premium service…”
It starts out as $4.99 for a month of super-fast streaming, and guess what - many of us will line up to get it and begin to rely on it. Then two years later, that same access will cost $19.99 a month and you won’t want to give it up.
Just look at the cost of all the streaming services. First they were $5.99 a month with no commercials, and now you see how they’re sneaking in commercials AND raising the prices. Next thing you know, it’ll be like cable TV again!
But as long as they made it an option and kept it an option, then that’s great of course. And the post by TOLOWTERRAIN723 noting that 2020 could be the option for those whose internet can’t cut it makes sense.
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Multiply that by ten. MS 2020 had at least 15 million users. Some will have got in sale, but similarly some will have bought the expensive versions at full price. Even if we assume an average price of just $50 per copy - which is lower than the lowest tier RRP to factor in sale prices - it comes out at $750 million. 2024 will be a bit different because of Game Pass, but still, I don’t think we need to be passing the hat around to bail them out just yet.
Have you monitored yours to see if it actually uses that much?
On the face it looks pretty stupid to me. I’ve got over 100 hrs of flying and my entire internet usage including streaming movies and other things for the month of Dec is only 54 GB.
It’s all in who you wish to believe in. I don’t put much faith in large corporations. But it’s your prerogative, as is any one else, to spend your money your way. In my estimation it adds to the delinquency of bad developers by contributing to poor customer service. Just my two cents.
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It boggles my mind that people are seriously freaking out over something that will not happen and is nothing but baseless speculation with nothing to substantiate it. This is fearmongering at its most absurd. There will not be any subscriptions, period. And the developers are not to blame for this kind of baseless, unsubstantiated speculation because they’re under no obligation to address things that will not happen. What next? People will start an unfounded rumor about MSFS becoming a combat sim and the developers will have to address that too? People need to chill.
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Y’all it’s already an optional subscription: it’s called Game Pass. 
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Glad to see such devotion, even though it’s misplaced. We have a right, to certain expectations when paying a sum fee for a product. Blind acceptance is just that, blind. And people saying, “it’ll just get better, give it time”, is woefully blatantly idiotic. My expectations of this “new” sim are low, as is evident by the lack of incentive to further develop an already existing product they own.
But we will see, but I don’t have high hopes. Don’t buy any new hardware any time soon.
IMHO, to cut to the crux of it, OP’s question is exactly why we got 2024 as a new product and not as sim updates and expansion packs for 2020, which obviously was the original plan. I’ve never heard precisely when an internal decision was made to make the 2024 product, but I doubt it was in 2020. There was a period maybe 20 months ago when the thursday dev updates stopped having any info and I think that’s because they were deciding to push a bunch of features planned for 2020 into the 2024 product.
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I’ll stick with my PS5, thanks. Plus, I got banned for asking for a refund for MSFS 2024. No thanks.
^^ bingo, this.
Game Pass brings in some sustained cut of Game Pass based on whatever internal metrics Microsoft uses to charge itself money. But only so much.
Marketplace brings in sustained 30% cut of add-on sales, which means they have an incentive to carry shovelware that will sell to clueless newbies to push up sales figures (arguable but many of us feel it). But only so much.
Purchase price brings in a bunch of money right now, none of which would’ve been paid if we weren’t asked to pay for an upgrade. It’s a one-time cash infusion, but it’s presumably big enough to have paid for development.
Unfortunately it didn’t pay for enough development and testing to actually ship a good project, so we’re beta-testing an “early access” game without the vendor acknowlegding it to us.
It’s rude, but it is what it is.
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